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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Show me your Constitutional right to "self defense."

    The Sixth Amendment gives citizens rights that "self defense" denies them.

    Being in possession of a weapon doesn't deny you right to a fair trial. There's no asterisk on the Bill of Rights that states that.

    Agreed, but I don't see how that's related to this discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, I'm aware that you don't.
    This thread has too many people watching suspense movies and not enough who appreciate the middle Amendments.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    This thread has too many people watching suspense movies and not enough who appreciate the middle Amendments.
    The middle amendments? Like the 13th.? That one is smack in the middle.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    This thread has too many people watching suspense movies and not enough who appreciate the middle Amendments.
    People in this thread have posted *real life* situations where people needed to use lethal force to save their own lives and in each case you refuse to address the actual incident and hide behind moral cowardice avoiding saying that yes...it's better that the man run over the police than be shot. Yes...it's better that my daughter be raped than her attacker be shot. Yes....it's better that the cop be bludgeoned to death with a shovel than shot.

    You were unable to address ANY of those specifically and say yes, those are the best options because otherwise, *my sense of justice* is outraged.

    Everyone has a right to life, first and foremost, before any of the 'middle Constitutional amendments.' And just like you insist on preserving the protections of the 'middle amendments,' self defense is the LEGAL mechanism for preserving one's right to life. To think that the right to due process supersedes the right to prevent the crime in the first place is idiocy.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The middle amendments? Like the 13th.? That one is smack in the middle.
    Fair enough. I was referring to the original 10 in the Bill of Rights, especially the 6th.

    "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."

    You're denying the accused all of those rights by killing them in the name of "self defense." "Self defense" is criminal prosecution without access to any of our Constitutional rights.
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    People in this thread have posted *real life* situations where people needed to use lethal force to save their own lives and in each case you refuse to address the actual incident and hide behind moral cowardice avoiding saying that yes...it's better that the man run over the police than be shot. Yes...it's better that my daughter be raped than her attacker be shot. Yes....it's better that the cop be bludgeoned to death with a shovel than shot.

    You were unable to address ANY of those specifically and say yes, those are the best options because otherwise, *my sense of justice* is outraged.

    Everyone has a right to life, first and foremost, before any of the 'middle Constitutional amendments.' And just like you insist on preserving the protections of the 'middle amendments,' self defense is the LEGAL mechanism for preserving one's right to life. To think that the right to due process supersedes the right to prevent the crime in the first place is idiocy.
    As you say, "everyone has a right to life" even the people committing what we believe to be criminal acts.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Show me your Constitutional right to "self defense."

    The Sixth Amendment gives citizens rights that "self defense" denies them.

    Being in possession of a weapon doesn't deny you right to a fair trial. There's no asterisk on the Bill of Rights that states that.

    Agreed, but I don't see how that's related to this discussion.
    When a person decides to use something as a weapon, the state has the power (and duty, imo) to stop that threat-life does not occur in a courtroom and your distance from reality is something to see.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    When a person decides to use something as a weapon, the state has the power (and duty, imo) to stop that threat-life does not occur in a courtroom and your distance from reality is something to see.
    The state is the arbitrator of conflicts arising from violations of law. It is the state's duty to arbitrate and the state's duty to arbitrate according to the constitutional rights of those involved.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    The state is the arbitrator of conflicts arising from violations of law. It is the state's duty to arbitrate and the state's duty to arbitrate according to the constitutional rights of those involved.
    This is where your naive theories clash with reality. In that video, you are defending the wrong side. Everyone can see what happened-what drives you to defend thugs?

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post

    As you say, "everyone has a right to life" even the people committing what we believe to be criminal acts.
    Do the people being attacked have a right to life? If so, how do they retain that right?

    (And if they could escape, they would not be getting attacked)
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post

    As you say, "everyone has a right to life" even the people committing what we believe to be criminal acts.
    So are you going to address this, 3 specific real life situations and have the moral courage to plainly support your belief: that yes, it is better that each suffer the consequences of their attacks rather than use lethal force to survive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    People in this thread have posted *real life* situations where people needed to use lethal force to save their own lives and in each case you refuse to address the actual incident and hide behind moral cowardice avoiding saying that yes...it's better that the man run over the police than be shot. Yes...it's better that my daughter be raped than her attacker be shot. Yes....it's better that the cop be bludgeoned to death with a shovel than shot.

    You were unable to address ANY of those specifically and say yes, those are the best options because otherwise, *your sense of justice* is outraged.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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