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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

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    I realize he's not a sympathetic case, but that doesn't change my view that denying him a trial is a violation of his rights.
    He denied himself a trial the moment he tried to run down the police...They have a right not be injured, or killed trying to take him in...Or should they have let him go too?
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    He denied himself a trial the moment he tried to run down the police...They have a right not be injured, or killed trying to take him in...Or should they have let him go too?
    The sixth amendment says he's entitled to a trial.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

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    The sixth amendment says he's entitled to a trial.

    Attempted Murder while in the act of, is subject to self defense of those he is attempting to murder.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I have not been dishonest.

    You're implying that the average self defense killing is a lone female killing a rapist midway through the act, when in reality it's much more likely to be a middle aged man killing a kid trying to steal his DVD player.

    It's not selfish to prefer living citizens over dead ones.
    I never implied that. I said that such scenarios where the only way to protect one's self or others using lethal force are not uncommon.

    And yes, your choosing to deny people the right to protect their own lives is definitely selfish. You dont prefer living "citizens." You prefer living criminals. Because the dead victims would not come to trial, they were innocent when they were executed.

    Your ignorance shows further since it is illegal to use lethal force almost anywhere in the US to protect property. That person using lethal force would go to jail. So you, once again, have no idea what you are talking about.

    You have been told many times that the legal bar for using lethal force is very high. ONLY to protect yourself from gross bodily harm or death. And for police, to also do so in the interests of public safety. Yet you continue to write otherwise. Is there something wrong with your ability to process the facts?

    It boggles the mind that when robberies and home invasions are common when people are home, that you think that I should not have the right to shoot someone that breaks into my home at night and tries to kill or rape me in the commisssion of their crime. I am 25 minutes from town. The thought that I should have to just call the cops and suffer and die is ***insane.*** thankfully at least some parts of our legal system are not.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post

    I realize he's not a sympathetic case, but that doesn't change my view that denying him a trial is a violation of his rights.

    Initiating a crime shouldn't deny your right to trial.
    So this cop should have just allowed the man to continue and beat him to death with a shovel? And then go on to threaten the people in the neighborhood again, to attack them? Is that what you are saying is preferable, rather than allowing people to defend themselves when necessary, with lethal force?

    Those were the words James Dudley Barkerís longtime friend used to describe allegations that Barker used a shovel to attack a Salt Lake City police officer with bone-breaking force before the officer shot Barker to death in a yard just one block from Barkerís home.
    "James was an incredibly peaceful person," said Summer Osburn, who became friends with Barker 20 years ago while they were students at Brigham Young University.
    When the officer approached Barker on the porch of another house, a "verbal altercation" began, police said. Barker allegedly attacked the officer with the shovel, striking his arm and leg before the officer fired several times, police said.
    SLCPD shooting: Neighbors stunned to learn victim was their 'peaceful' neighbor (with video) | The Salt Lake Tribune

    What's even sadder is that not only you but others would say that the cop wasnt even in deadly danger....the man *only had a shovel.* If the cop had shot BEFORE he was beaten, there would probably be a public uproar. With attitudes like that (which we have seen clearly in the media and here on this forum and in the extreme, you.....we will end up with no cops. Why should anyone put themselves at such risk for pay that's no better than many office jobs?)
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    So this cop should have just allowed the man to continue and beat him to death with a shovel? And then go on to threaten the people in the neighborhood again, to attack them? Is that what you are saying is preferable, rather than allowing people to defend themselves when necessary, with lethal force?



    SLCPD shooting: Neighbors stunned to learn victim was their 'peaceful' neighbor (with video) | The Salt Lake Tribune

    What's even sadder is that not only you but others would say that the cop wasnt even in deadly danger....the man *only had a shovel.* If the cop had shot BEFORE he was beaten, there would probably be a public uproar. With attitudes like that (which we have seen clearly in the media and here on this forum and in the extreme, you.....we will end up with no cops. Why should anyone put themselves at such risk for pay that's no better than many office jobs?)
    Welcome to the world of the new left, kid. Welcome.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    The sixth amendment says he's entitled to a trial.
    True. And the shovel says he's entitled to a bullet.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    So this cop should have just allowed the man to continue and beat him to death with a shovel? And then go on to threaten the people in the neighborhood again, to attack them? Is that what you are saying is preferable, rather than allowing people to defend themselves when necessary, with lethal force?



    SLCPD shooting: Neighbors stunned to learn victim was their 'peaceful' neighbor (with video) | The Salt Lake Tribune

    What's even sadder is that not only you but others would say that the cop wasnt even in deadly danger....the man *only had a shovel.* If the cop had shot BEFORE he was beaten, there would probably be a public uproar. With attitudes like that (which we have seen clearly in the media and here on this forum and in the extreme, you.....we will end up with no cops. Why should anyone put themselves at such risk for pay that's no better than many office jobs?)
    Welcome to where the left falls to pieces with reality. The wolves are there regardless.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post

    Killing someone before they draw on you isn't defense.



    Killing someone after they've already killed you isn't possible.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Attempted Murder while in the act of, is subject to self defense of those he is attempting to murder.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I never implied that. I said that such scenarios where the only way to protect one's self or others using lethal force are not uncommon.

    And yes, your choosing to deny people the right to protect their own lives is definitely selfish. You dont prefer living "citizens." You prefer living criminals. Because the dead victims would not come to trial, they were innocent when they were executed.

    Your ignorance shows further since it is illegal to use lethal force almost anywhere in the US to protect property. That person using lethal force would go to jail. So you, once again, have no idea what you are talking about.

    You have been told many times that the legal bar for using lethal force is very high. ONLY to protect yourself from gross bodily harm or death. And for police, to also do so in the interests of public safety. Yet you continue to write otherwise. Is there something wrong with your ability to process the facts?

    It boggles the mind that when robberies and home invasions are common when people are home, that you think that I should not have the right to shoot someone that breaks into my home at night and tries to kill or rape me in the commisssion of their crime. I am 25 minutes from town. The thought that I should have to just call the cops and suffer and die is ***insane.*** thankfully at least some parts of our legal system are not.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    So this cop should have just allowed the man to continue and beat him to death with a shovel? And then go on to threaten the people in the neighborhood again, to attack them? Is that what you are saying is preferable, rather than allowing people to defend themselves when necessary, with lethal force?



    SLCPD shooting: Neighbors stunned to learn victim was their 'peaceful' neighbor (with video) | The Salt Lake Tribune

    What's even sadder is that not only you but others would say that the cop wasnt even in deadly danger....the man *only had a shovel.* If the cop had shot BEFORE he was beaten, there would probably be a public uproar. With attitudes like that (which we have seen clearly in the media and here on this forum and in the extreme, you.....we will end up with no cops. Why should anyone put themselves at such risk for pay that's no better than many office jobs?)
    Show me your Constitutional right to "self defense."

    The Sixth Amendment gives citizens rights that "self defense" denies them.
    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    True. And the shovel says he's entitled to a bullet.
    Being in possession of a weapon doesn't deny you right to a fair trial. There's no asterisk on the Bill of Rights that states that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Killing someone after they've already killed you isn't possible.
    Agreed, but I don't see how that's related to this discussion.

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