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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

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    Which element of the justice system determined they were a felon prior to his execution?
    Execution? Man, you are out there. What should they have done? "Oh please Mr. crazy man, please don't run us over?" "Pretty please?"

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Execution? Man, you are out there. What should they have done? "Oh please Mr. crazy man, please don't run us over?" "Pretty please?"

    Hands up, don't shoot!
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Congratulations on finding an extremely unlikely scenario that you feel justifies an entire system of daily scenarios where people are denied their Constitutional rights.
    It's not remotely unlikely. I ran across such situations. However the other bystander was not armed, was intimidated by the knife the assailant had. Women are raped all the time. You seem to think they should allow it instead of, if necessary, shooting their attacker. That is SICK.

    These are not edge cases, you are lying to deny it.

    And we all have a right to LIFE as stated in the DOI. We all have the right to protect our own lives, up to and including lethal force. To state that someone should allow an attacker to do gross bodily harm or murder them in order to preserve the malicious person's life is selfish and a 100% misguided idea of justice. How is their right to life...as the initiator of violence...more important than the innocent's right to life?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Which element of the justice system determined they were a felon prior to his execution?
    You just don't get it do you? Pacini made online threats that he was going to kill police, and they issued a warrant for his arrest based on those threats, when confronted he fled, and when the police cornered him to effect the arrest,... Now pay freaking attention here,....HE TRIED TO RUN THEM OVER WITH HIS CAR. Ofcourse they shot him, he was using a 2000lb vehicle as a weapon to KILL the police trying to arrest him....If you are concerned about him getting a trial, maybe he should have allowed himself to be arrested, THEN he would get a trial....

    Jesus, how simple can this be?
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Congratulations on finding an extremely unlikely scenario that you feel justifies an entire system of daily scenarios where people are denied their Constitutional rights.
    BTW, the people you are claiming are denied their Constitutional Rights? At least 90% of them are initiating the violence or committing a crime. And if they dont try to kill the cop arresting them, they will indeed get their day in court.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You just don't get it do you? Pacini made online threats that he was going to kill police, and they issued a warrant for his arrest based on those threats, when confronted he fled, and when the police cornered him to effect the arrest,... Now pay freaking attention here,....HE TRIED TO RUN THEM OVER WITH HIS CAR. Ofcourse they shot him, he was using a 2000lb vehicle as a weapon to KILL the police trying to arrest him....If you are concerned about him getting a trial, maybe he should have allowed himself to be arrested, THEN he would get a trial....

    Jesus, how simple can this be?
    It is very simple for him, black and white.

    He would prefer a law preventing lethal force under any circumstances...such as stopping the rape of a family member. He finds that to be justice. (Of course if you dont stop him and the police cant get there in time, he'll just escape and do it to someone else. So not even justice.) Does this sound rational?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It is very simple for him, black and white.

    He would prefer a law preventing lethal force under any circumstances...such as stopping the rape of a family member. He finds that to be justice. (Of course if you dont stop him and the police cant get there in time, he'll just escape and do it to someone else. So not even justice.) Does this sound rational?
    No it doesn't sound rational at all, and I would have given up on him long ago, but I just can not understand how one gets to a place where a criminal should be allowed to get away, and tie cops hands to the point where if they die at the hands of trash like this guy, then he says "oh well"....
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It's not remotely unlikely. I ran across such situations. However the other bystander was not armed, was intimidated by the knife the assailant had. Women are raped all the time. You seem to think they should allow it instead of, if necessary, shooting their attacker. That is SICK.

    These are not edge cases, you are lying to deny it.

    And we all have a right to LIFE as stated in the DOI. We all have the right to protect our own lives, up to and including lethal force. To state that someone should allow an attacker to do gross bodily harm or murder them in order to preserve the malicious person's life is selfish and a 100% misguided idea of justice. How is their right to life...as the initiator of violence...more important than the innocent's right to life?
    The right to life should be observed for everyone, not just the people who individuals feel deserve to be killed.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You just don't get it do you? Pacini made online threats that he was going to kill police, and they issued a warrant for his arrest based on those threats, when confronted he fled, and when the police cornered him to effect the arrest,... Now pay freaking attention here,....HE TRIED TO RUN THEM OVER WITH HIS CAR. Ofcourse they shot him, he was using a 2000lb vehicle as a weapon to KILL the police trying to arrest him....If you are concerned about him getting a trial, maybe he should have allowed himself to be arrested, THEN he would get a trial....

    Jesus, how simple can this be?
    I realize he's not a sympathetic case, but that doesn't change my view that denying him a trial is a violation of his rights.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    BTW, the people you are claiming are denied their Constitutional Rights? At least 90% of them are initiating the violence or committing a crime. And if they dont try to kill the cop arresting them, they will indeed get their day in court.
    Initiating a crime shouldn't deny your right to trial.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It is very simple for him, black and white.

    He would prefer a law preventing lethal force under any circumstances...such as stopping the rape of a family member. He finds that to be justice. (Of course if you dont stop him and the police cant get there in time, he'll just escape and do it to someone else. So not even justice.) Does this sound rational?
    The justice system should provide justice, not citizens, not the executive branch. They're overstepping their boundaries by acting as judge, jury, and executioner.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No it doesn't sound rational at all, and I would have given up on him long ago, but I just can not understand how one gets to a place where a criminal should be allowed to get away, and tie cops hands to the point where if they die at the hands of trash like this guy, then he says "oh well"....
    The person hasn't committed a crime until convicted by a court of law, therefore they're not a criminal, they're potentially a suspect. Suspects have rights under our Constitution, even the ones we don't like.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    The right to life should be observed for everyone, not just the people who individuals feel deserve to be killed.

    I realize he's not a sympathetic case, but that doesn't change my view that denying him a trial is a violation of his rights.

    Initiating a crime shouldn't deny your right to trial.

    The justice system should provide justice, not citizens, not the executive branch. They're overstepping their boundaries by acting as judge, jury, and executioner.

    The person hasn't committed a crime until convicted by a court of law, therefore they're not a criminal, they're potentially a suspect. Suspects have rights under our Constitution, even the ones we don't like.
    You have continually been dishonest and denied reality, like true-life scenarios (that are not uncommon) to attempt to shore up your position, yet would not commit an honest answer admitting that you would prefer your daughter raped or killed rather than saved by a citizen or officer using lethal force. Because to you, the citizen or officer would be acting immorally and unConstitutionally.

    Again, such selfish and fantastical changes in legislation will not happen.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You have continually been dishonest and denied reality, like true-life scenarios (that are not uncommon) to attempt to shore up your position, yet would not commit an honest answer admitting that you would prefer your daughter raped or killed rather than saved by a citizen or officer using lethal force. Because to you, the citizen or officer would be acting immorally and unConstitutionally.

    Again, such selfish and fantastical changes in legislation will not happen.
    I have not been dishonest.

    You're implying that the average self defense killing is a lone female killing a rapist midway through the act, when in reality it's much more likely to be a middle aged man killing a kid trying to steal his DVD player.

    It's not selfish to prefer living citizens over dead ones.
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

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