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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

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    No one is a felon until convicted by the justice system.
    They were attempting to effect a felony warrant on the man, when he tried to kill them...yeah, I think it is safe to say he was a felon.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    They were attempting to effect a felony warrant on the man, when he tried to kill them...yeah, I think it is safe to say he was a felon.
    Which element of the justice system determined they were a felon prior to his execution?
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

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    You're scenario is unrealistic. You're describing a Hollywood movie plot and not reality. Things that happen in suspense films shouldn't be how we decide daily life.
    Of course it's true. It can happen, it can happen in many ways. You just dont want to answer the question: If, as a bystander, I saw your daughter about to be raped and could shoot to stop the attacker (as a woman I dont have alot of options for stopping a man where he wouldnt just turn and then attack me)...should I do so? Or just call the cops and wait til they get there? The cops could easily be 30 minutes away in many situations.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Of course it's true. It can happen, it can happen in many ways. You just dont want to answer the question: If, as a bystander, I saw your daughter about to be raped and could shoot to stop the attacker (as a woman I dont have alot of options for stopping a man where he wouldnt just turn and then attack me)...should I do so? Or just call the cops and wait til they get there? The cops could easily be 30 minutes away in many situations.
    You're probably not going to have to wait 30 minutes on a rape call. You're also probably not going to be absolutely devoid of other citizens who can restrain a rapist without killing him. A rapist is probably also not going to be doing his raping in a public space you're likely to stumble upon him. Your scenario isn't realistic.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    You're probably not going to have to wait 30 minutes on a rape call. You're also probably not going to be absolutely devoid of other citizens who can restrain a rapist without killing him. A rapist is probably also not going to be doing his raping in a public space you're likely to stumble upon him. Your scenario isn't realistic.
    Probably probably probably.

    It happens all the time. Women wouldnt BE raped if there were other people around and the cops were close by. Happens all the time on jogging trails, in parks, etc.

    It's very realistic and you refuse to answer.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Probably probably probably.

    It happens all the time. Women wouldnt BE raped if there were other people around and the cops were close by. Happens all the time on jogging trails, in parks, etc.

    It's very realistic and you refuse to answer.
    You're trying to bait me with an emotionally charged question on what should be a rational discussion.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    You're trying to bait me with an emotionally charged question on what should be a rational discussion.
    No, it's a realistic situation and you refuse to discuss it rationally. As a former park ranger, I personally am aware of similar situations.

    Another point to be made here is: you have clearly stated that it would NOT be acceptable for a bystander to use lethal force in such a situation. So now you have been asked if you would hold that view when you are personally impacted. You apparently do not wish to look like a hypocrite or admit your zero tolerance policy is indeed selfish and unrealistic.

    Even simpler: I'm an armed park ranger. I see your daughter being raped. We are miles out on a hiking trail. Can I use lethal force to save her? This is a completely realistic scenario.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    No, it's a realistic situation and you refuse to discuss it rationally. As a former park ranger, I personally am aware of similar situations.

    Another point to be made here is: you have clearly stated that it would NOT be acceptable for a bystander to use lethal force in such a situation. So now you have been asked if you would hold that view when you are personally impacted. You apparently do not wish to look like a hypocrite or admit your zero tolerance policy is indeed selfish and unrealistic.

    Even simpler: I'm an armed park ranger. I see your daughter being raped. We are miles out on a hiking trail. Can I use lethal force to save her? This is a completely realistic scenario.
    Every law will have situations that seem unreasonable. You run the risk of creating a situation where the law is inconsistent in order to satisfy each situation, or so unyielding that it's a complicated moral issue where you place the rights of citizens who are innocent until proven guilty v the desires of the citizen to perform a "common sense" workaround.

    The situation you're describing is vigilante justice. It's not how our Constitution intended our dealings between citizens or with government to be based on the Amendments they enacted to ensure justice for all citizens.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Every law will have situations that seem unreasonable. You run the risk of creating a situation where the law is inconsistent in order to satisfy each situation, or so unyielding that it's a complicated moral issue where you place the rights of citizens who are innocent until proven guilty v the desires of the citizen to perform a "common sense" workaround.

    The situation you're describing is vigilante justice. It's not how our Constitution intended our dealings between citizens or with government to be based on the Amendments they enacted to ensure justice for all citizens.
    So you wont put into words what you just danced around: Yes you would prefer someone to stand there and let your daughter be raped because you believe that *saving her* is vigilante justice and lethal force would be wrong.

    Thank you. That's all. Seems like there is quite a bit of moral cowardice in not actually putting the words behind a 'belief.'
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    So you wont put into words what you just danced around: Yes you would prefer someone to stand there and let your daughter be raped because you believe that *saving her* is vigilante justice and lethal force would be wrong.

    Thank you. That's all. Seems like there is quite a bit of moral cowardice in not actually putting the words behind a 'belief.'
    Congratulations on finding an extremely unlikely scenario that you feel justifies an entire system of daily scenarios where people are denied their Constitutional rights.
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