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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The best procedure would be for the cop to regain control of the weapon and shoot the attacker, wouldn't it? What's the alternative?
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    What's the alternative?
    The alternative is less than lethal force which includes everything from seeking shelter up to but not including killing a citizen.

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    I dont care if it is done to protect myself or my family or other *innocent* people that didnt initiate any lethal threat.

    You are welcome to act the way you want. Luckily our legal system supports killing those that maliciously attempt to kill others.

    I'm not afraid of the word 'killing,' obviously. And you arent on any High Ground using it to support your selfish position.

    (And you should look up the definition of the word 'defending'. If it requires killing to accomplish a defense, then it certainly is defense and it certainly includes killing.)
    If citizens must be killed, then that should be determined through due process. Law enforcement killing citizens in the streets denies them due process. Citizens killing other citizens is no different.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    The alternative is less than lethal force which includes everything from seeking shelter up to but not including killing a citizen.


    If citizens must be killed, then that should be determined through due process. Law enforcement killing citizens in the streets denies them due process. Citizens killing other citizens is no different.
    Um, NO! That's not the job.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Um, NO! That's not the job.
    I'm not arguing what the job is, I'm arguing what we should want for a consistent application of justice for all citizens.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Killing someone isn't defending yourself. It's killing someone.
    Killing someone is either murder, self-defense, or an accident.

    Sometimes killing someone CAN be defending yourself. But you better be damn sure or your ass is in trouble...
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Killing someone is either murder, self-defense, or an accident.

    Sometimes killing someone CAN be defending yourself. But you better be damn sure or your ass is in trouble...
    Right. And, when someone goes for a gun, you have to be damn sure in a split second.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Right. And, when someone goes for a gun, you have to be damn sure in a split second.
    Luckily I've never been in that situation...

    Especially since I have no gun of my own atm...
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Killing someone is either murder, self-defense, or an accident.

    Sometimes killing someone CAN be defending yourself. But you better be damn sure or your ass is in trouble...
    According to our laws yes. According to common sense, killing someone is an offensive act, not defensive.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    The alternative is less than lethal force which includes everything from seeking shelter up to but not including killing a citizen.
    Again, you are welcome to your personal selfish perspective.

    Not every situation allows someone to escape or use non-lethal means to stop an attack. Do you believe that this is always possible? Please tell us.

    I mean, I guess I could stand there and watch a woman about to be raped and call and then wait for the police. If I get involved and cant use lethal force if necessary to stop the attack, then I would be killed (I'm a woman, physical force isnt going to stop him). Not a problem for you if I die, obviously. How would you feel if that was your daughter? Ok to wait until the police arrive and maybe or maybe not catch the attacker after the fact? I mean...hey, I was a witness and I'll help testify against him in court.

    That's ok, right?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    According to our laws yes. According to common sense, killing someone is an offensive act, not defensive.
    No that is a completely wrong statement. Killing someone in self defense under our laws is not an offensive act. As I said, you seem to need a dictionary for the word defense. Offense implies initiation of aggression as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    If citizens must be killed, then that should be determined through due process. Law enforcement killing citizens in the streets denies them due process. Citizens killing other citizens is no different.
    So you are a supporter of the death penalty then?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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