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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I am a civilian. I want protections for civilians. I expect the police to not kill civilians except under absolutely unavoidable situations. This wasn't an unavoidable situation.
    That is the standard for lethal force and the evidence showed it was unavoidable.

    Please tell us how the officer could have avoided it while doing his job?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    You're stuck on the procedures and narrative rather than examining whether those procedures are legitimate outside the context of this narrative.
    The narrative is super easy to follow. The police officer confronted brown for breaking the law, brown went on the offensive and TRIED to murder the police officer, the police officer (as he should have) killed the attempted murderer.

    Super simple, and carried out successfully. Well done to the officer.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's just nonsense. If you are speaking of the Brown case, unpredictable things happen all the time in Urban America. Second guessing the event after the fact is for those who don't know squat. If you are talking about the man in this thread who tried to run over cops trying to effect a warrant then I would also say they acted exactly right.
    I'm for avoiding second guessing whether a person should've been killed. I'm against law enforcement using lethal force in all but a handful of situations.
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    If the cop is in danger, and the suspect won't comply then yes, the procedure is correct.
    The procedure is legal. Legal doesn't equal correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    .

    So a post based on 'your feelings' and not dealing with the facts...life and death of cops and the public and the realities of self defense. So glad I bothered. /sarcasm
    My post is based on my political view that a government given permission to kill its citizens is a bad thing. We gave this officer permission to execute a citizen without trial.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I hope that all the criminals know that you believe ambushes should be against the law. And more than one suspect attacking at once...that's also a bummer huh? That should also be against the law
    If criminals intend to commit crimes against officers, being armed won't protect them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    There are. Once very specific. Suspects are ordered to get down on the ground and put their hands behind their heads.

    That's a procedure for EXACTLY that purpose. And you know what? Michael Brown didnt do that. So he remained a threat. One that had already attacked an armed officer. And he paid the price instead of the officer. (Who ended up paying a very high price for doing his job properly.)
    The lack of anything between plan a (arrest) and plan b (death) should be more bothersome to more people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    "Disparity of force" is recognized by law, in the courts, in self defense cases.

    It can be size, weapons, age, mobility, etc. It absolutely plays into the level of a threat and response.
    Yes. We've discussed self defense and how I believe it's morality questionable to permit it.
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    The bold is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read regarding self-defense.

    ??? The cop makes a split decision to save a life...his own or the public. In those circumstances, NO ONE else can assess the actual threat in that instance. Gee whiz, I hope he lives to provide evidence in court! Those of us, cops or anyone else, can only PRAY PRAY PRAY that we have physical evidence to support our actions if we ever need to use lethal force. Because otherwise, just like the cop in Ferguson, we can end up screwed anyway. Legally or financially (the legal defense costs often cost people their houses).
    Giving anyone unilateral authority to kill a citizen should be more bothersome to more people.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Yes. We've discussed self defense and how I believe it's morality questionable to permit it.

    Giving anyone unilateral authority to kill a citizen should be more bothersome to more people.
    No one has unilateral authority to kill anyone....you choose to ignore that, consistently. You can only use lethal force to protect yourself from death or gross bodily harm. It's a little hard to convence a jury *while that is occurring.* (This constant implication on your part just seems like idiocy.) For police it extends to doing so to protect the public as well.

    And since you would deny people of the basic human right of self-defense, it's pretty clear why I consider everything you write on this topic is fantasy and nonsense. Certainly you are welcome to that perspective but I'm glad that it will not be imposed on the rest of us.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    No one has unilateral authority to kill anyone....you choose to ignore that, consistently. You can only use lethal force to protect yourself from death or gross bodily harm. It's a little hard to convence a jury *while that is occurring.* (This constant implication on your part just seems like idiocy.) For police it extends to doing so to protect the public as well.

    And since you would deny people of the basic human right of self-defense, it's pretty clear why I consider everything you write on this topic is fantasy and nonsense. Certainly you are welcome to that perspective but I'm glad that it will not be imposed on the rest of us.
    It is unilateral when one person is authorized to kill instead of granting the person a trial by jury of peers. If they're an authorized government official doing this it is even more immoral IMO. If a person deserves justice, it should be determined through the justice system.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    It is unilateral when one person is authorized to kill instead of granting the person a trial by jury of peers. If they're an authorized government official doing this it is even more immoral IMO. If a person deserves justice, it should be determined through the justice system.
    So you consider it more "moral" to allow crime and killing of police and innocent people...not allowing them to defend themselves...and then attempting to bring the perpetrator to "justice" later?


    If so, please refer back to my words in parentheses in my previous post, and also my statement that I'm very glad few, if any, other Americans agree with you.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    So you consider it more "moral" to allow crime and killing of police and innocent people...not allowing them to defend themselves...and then attempting to bring the perpetrator to "justice" later?


    If so, please refer back to my words in parentheses in my previous post, and also my statement that I'm very glad few, if any, other Americans agree with you.
    Killing someone isn't defending yourself. It's killing someone.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    If a police officer is overpowered and has his weapon turned against him there are procedural issues that should be addressed.
    The best procedure would be for the cop to regain control of the weapon and shoot the attacker, wouldn't it? What's the alternative?
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Killing someone isn't defending yourself. It's killing someone.
    I dont care if it is done to protect myself or my family or other *innocent* people that didnt initiate any lethal threat.

    You are welcome to act the way you want. Luckily our legal system supports killing those that maliciously attempt to kill others.

    I'm not afraid of the word 'killing,' obviously. And you arent on any High Ground using it to support your selfish position.

    (And you should look up the definition of the word 'defending'. If it requires killing to accomplish a defense, then it certainly is defense and it certainly includes killing.)
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Killing someone isn't defending yourself. It's killing someone.
    What's the alternative?
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