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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

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    No, and in fact AA's have improved themselves much faster than other groups. However-you must realize that many of these problems are more recent innovations, since the war on poverty. Blacks had higher rates of employment and even higher marriage rates than whites until the war on poverty.
    Are you sure about that?
    Why would the war on poverty adversely affect blacks more than it did poor whites?
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Are you sure about that?
    Why would the war on poverty adversely affect blacks more than it did poor whites?
    Because welfare enslaves the AA community for their voting block for one. All they did with demo's is trade one plantation for another.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

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    But even you admit these are personal decisions, and therefore wont change unless the individual does. With that hard truth established, thats where the progress will be made-and yet we have posters who call this fact "offensive" when its the only thing that will substantively help.
    The issues have to be talked about. We will agree on that. You can stuff things down into a hole, but they'll always come back up. On the idea of personal decisions, on person-by-person basis, yes they have to be accountable for their actions. However, as a society, learning how closely nature and nurture are tied (and how they can affect each other), we have to acknowledge that cycles of abuse have got to be intervened or they likely won't heal on their own.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Are you sure about that?
    Why would the war on poverty adversely affect blacks more than it did poor whites?
    Im sure. And I'd speculate because of cultural differences.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    The issues have to be talked about. We will agree on that. You can stuff things down into a hole, but they'll always come back up. On the idea of personal decisions, on person-by-person basis, yes they have to be accountable for their actions. However, as a society, learning how closely nature and nurture are tied (and how they can affect each other), we have to acknowledge that cycles of abuse have got to be intervened or they likely won't heal on their own.
    Society isn't able to do this, and it never has. Central planning does not work. Until the individual changes (by being willing to change) nothing will improve. All the while we are making them more comfortable in this tormented state.

    This is why lefties crying about how hard things are aren't doing anyone any favors. Its like a mother who babies her teenager-at some point its actually harmful.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Nothing will change until personal responsibility and accountability is achieved. Thats the truth you are running from.
    I am advocating responsibility -- our responsibility to increase equal opportunity.
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    Are you sure about that?
    Why would the war on poverty adversely affect blacks more than it did poor whites?
    I only sound outrageous until you read the positions opposed to increasing equality.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

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    I am advocating responsibility -- our responsibility to increase equal opportunity.

    I only sound outrageous until you read the positions opposed to increasing equality.
    PERSONAL responsibility. Without it the rest is glitter.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Society isn't able to do this, and it never has. Central planning does not work. Until the individual changes (by being willing to change) nothing will improve. All the while we are making them more comfortable in this tormented state.

    This is why lefties crying about how hard things are aren't doing anyone any favors. Its like a mother who babies her teenager-at some point its actually harmful.
    So that's obviously where we disagree. Could be worse.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

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    PERSONAL responsibility. Without it the rest is glitter.
    Collective responsibility originates with the individual.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    OMFG. I lol at the ignorant irony of that statement.

    Tell me, genius.... what is the difference between stopping and attempting to arrest someone.... and approaching and detaining them?
    You can make this a semantic circle jerk all you want.

    Fact is that tactically all most cops have is a hammer so they necessarily see every problem as a nail.

    Due to a little thought policing (understand that he made no specific, credible threat, just spouted off generally on the Internet a little) they identified this guy as a potential criminal and went after him like he was an existential threat to the future of America.

    If the idiots had actually put any thought at all into what they were doing they would have easily identified this guy as a very mentally sick person and addressed the situation from a medical perspective.

    Instead they rallied up the SWAT team in preparation for serving a no-knock warrant and while the "operators" were masturbating over the thought of blasting in of this guy's door at 0300, the guy decided to go out for a drive.

    The cops saw their opportunity to act like jack booted thugs going up in smoke they took the show on the road.

    Now, I won't pretend to know the absolute best way to deal with that situation, but as an educated and generally pretty intelligent person I can surmise that there have to be better options than the route they went.

    Like, they could have maybe stopped him while he was walking down the street, brought some paramedics along with them, and approached him/the situation as being one of medical concern, rather than acting like it was the second raid on Abbottabad.
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