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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Another case of militarized police forcing a confrontation where none needed to exist.

    Watch the man's video (the one where he "threatens to kill police".

    He is clearly off his freaking rocker.

    There was absolutely NO reason for a "SWAT" team to be involved in any of this, preparing to execute a no-knock warrant (which should be an illegal tactic from the get go).

    There was no reason to stop and attempt to arrest the guy.

    Anyone with half a grain of sense would have seen that this guy is mentally ill and would have approached him and detained him with his medical issues in mind.

    The cops manufactured the need to arrest this guy and once again blood is on their hands.

    Understand that I am not faulting the police for shooting at the guy once he tried to run them over (if, in fact, he even presented any threat to the police during his attempted detainment/escape - I'm not convinced that he tried to "run cops over" and won't be until I see dash cam video of his clearly trying deliberately to run over police).

    If he clearly tried to run over a cop or a group of cops, then yes, they did what they had to do.

    But Pacini should have been handled differently from the beginning, as a mental health issue rather than using the Ramos/Liu shootings as a manufactured excuse to go after this guy like he was some kind of al Qaeda mastermind.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and if someone doesn't like where they are, they are free to leave.

    Clearly, the residents of the inner city ghettos must like them.
    There is a difference between being free to leave and having the opportunity to leave. Freedom without means isn't particularly valuable.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Targeting random cops for killing does seem historic, I'll give you that.
    I'm not justifying it, but it seems cops have gotten out of hand themselves quite a bit lately. Maybe they should sell their armored personnel carriers and military uniforms, and go back to being cops instead of military wannabes
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

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    If society doesn't like what society has made, society should contribute to fixing the problem.
    Wait...holy **** drug testing costs 178 million? Who the **** is paying the governor off for that contract?
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    There is a difference between being free to leave and having the opportunity to leave. Freedom without means isn't particularly valuable.

    Liberals don't want ghettos. Liberals don't see ghettos as fair punishment for economic or cultural deviance. Liberals don't see ghettos as motivation for change. Liberals see ghettos as the societal failures they are.
    Of course Libbos want ghettos. Ghettos vote 90%+ Democrat. Which do you think Liberal politicians value most, people, or votes? Tammany Hall is alive and well, in the Democrat Party.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    There is a difference between being free to leave and having the opportunity to leave. Freedom without means isn't particularly valuable.

    Liberals don't want ghettos. Liberals don't see ghettos as fair punishment for economic or cultural deviance. Liberals don't see ghettos as motivation for change. Liberals see ghettos as the societal failures they are.
    A bus ticket to where there are jobs available isn't all that expensive.
    I know lots of people who have left for greener pastures to get away from places where opportunities are lacking. It's not all that difficult, but then, it is easier just to stay put and let Uncle Sam take care of you.
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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'm not justifying it, but it seems cops have gotten out of hand themselves quite a bit lately. Maybe they should sell their armored personnel carriers and military uniforms, and go back to being cops instead of military wannabes
    It essy to insist that cops rid themselves of protective equipment, when it's not you taking the risks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post


    If society doesn't like what society has made, society should contribute to fixing the problem.
    So now you are saying that the right thing to do might cost too much money? I'm trying to understand your position at a practical level, not just from the "we can do better" point of view.

    You say that society has made society, which is all well and good, but if members of society don't like the solutions imposed on them by society, then what? It might even be categorized as "tough love".

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It essy to insist that cops rid themselves of protective equipment, when it's not you taking the risks.
    You know the reason they have all of that large military equipment? When you guys start burning down buildings and looting stores because you didn't like the result of a court case.

    EDIT: Sorry apdst, I was trying to reference the person you were quoting

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    Re: Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    There is a difference between being free to leave and having the opportunity to leave. Freedom without means isn't particularly valuable.
    Every able bodied person has the opportunity to leave. The trouble is, it's too much like work.

    Liberals don't want ghettos. Liberals don't see ghettos as fair punishment for economic or cultural deviance. Liberals don't see ghettos as motivation for change. Liberals see ghettos as the societal failures they are.
    Good, you've admitted your failure, now fix it. And the fix cannot involve me paying for your failure.

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