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Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

LOL carrying the Vaqueros would be like carrying bricks, they are all stainless. I own 2 but I dont carry them for protection.

Sorry, just a comment, it struck me funny.

Well some friends of mine do Halloween parties, so next year I'm thinking about being paladin from have gun, will travelso I'm thinking about getting a vaquero to carry for that... Then my carry can be part of the costume
 
I'm sorry but I don't see here death as inevitable. She bought the NRA kool-aid and is dead for it. I'm sure she actually believed that her gun could never hurt her only make her safer. That is what the NRA is selling..peace of mind. It doesn't include any of the "ugly" side of gun ownership and neither do gun dealers. Like that fact that your own gun is 10 times more likely to kill you or a loved one than a bad guy. If she had known the risks she would probably be alive today...a lot of people would. Guns are not for everyone, and selling them like appliances is criminal negligence.

I had zero contact with the NRA until after I was involved in guns and shooting. It sold me nothing.

There are ugly sides to many things. And parents kill/injure their own kids in their own cars more than with their firearms. Cars, pools, dogs, bicycles....lots of things have ugly sides. And it's our own responsibilities to make them as safe as possible.
 
Well some friends of mine do Halloween parties, so next year I'm thinking about being paladin from have gun, will travelso I'm thinking about getting a vaquero to carry for that... Then my carry can be part of the costume

Good luck. The leather costs a fortune. Unless you have, I hope you can borrow something fancy. And hope the homeowner/guests think they're fake otherwise...ack...Seattle....you will have alot of discussion, to say the least! And dont hand them to anyone....that's illegal now!
 
I have made it abundantly clear that the takeaway from this tragedy should be firearm safety - learning from her mistakes.

But realistically, if the toddler had shot a clerk rather than the firearm owner, the firearm owner would be facing some criminal charges and likely civil penalties as well. She didn't have simple error in judgment, she totally disregarded the rules of CCP and her obligations as a mother.

I believe we do a great disservice the predominantly responsible firearm owners to see her errors as being less than they are.

I think the over-reaction to this issue (from anti-gun folks) be because her error was not seen as bad as it was. It was bad as a CCP holder it was bad as a parent.

Unfortunately she will never be able to learn from her own mistakes - but others can.

So it would have been better had the child killed someone else so she could have learned from her mistake? Seriously? What you consider unfortunate, I do not in that regard.
 
Then you leave the comment out. You dont print irresponsible comments just to make people feel better. THen no one learns and others may suffer.

Deaths are not in vain if people can learn lessons from them.
I did not print that comment the newspaper did.

I think it would be unfair to call her irresponsible in general everyone makes mistakes and hers turned out to be fatal. I mean less you're that one perfect person is never done anything wrong, then comment away. The problem is many people here are not calling the act irresponsible, they're calling someone who can't come and defend herself irresponsible
 
Well some friends of mine do Halloween parties, so next year I'm thinking about being paladin from have gun, will travelso I'm thinking about getting a vaquero to carry for that... Then my carry can be part of the costume
I watched those old shows in re runs when I was a kid and I think Josh Randall was the best.
 
The gun was in her purse, not her pocket.

This is just another reason why purse'carry is felony-stupid.

Excuse me? Pocket carry *can be stupid* without a holster. Purse carry is no different than anything else....the gun doesnt go off unless you pull the trigger. I'm no more responsible for someone stealing it and getting my gun than if they stole it from my car or home....I'm not responsible for the actions of criminals.
 
Good luck. The leather costs a fortune. Unless you have, I hope you can borrow something fancy. And hope the homeowner/guests think they're fake otherwise...ack...Seattle....you will have alot of discussion, to say the least! And dont hand them to anyone....that's illegal now!
These people are on the kitsap

I have leather stuff, trying to get the chess knight on the holster may be problematic. And the fact that I don't want to lighten my trigger to two ounces!
 
I did not print that comment the newspaper did.

I think it would be unfair to call her irresponsible in general everyone makes mistakes and hers turned out to be fatal. I mean less you're that one perfect person is never done anything wrong, then comment away. The problem is many people here are not calling the act irresponsible, they're calling someone who can't come and defend herself irresponsible

I know, I was referring to the paper, they should have left it out. Not yourself.
 
Or run a red light. I drive truck for a living,
you'd be amazed just how many people you can see texting while driving when you can look down at them



I have seen video of someone texting while walking and falling in a canal!

Here it is:

You can cure ignorance with education but there's no cure for stupid. (That I know of.)
 
I know, I was referring to the paper, they should have left it out. Not yourself.

Well it will be wrong for the newspaper to find religion now, how many times do you see stores of the gang member being shot and the interviews mother who says he's a good kid just trying to turn his life around? It used to so enrage me to read, but now I realize what else is his mother going to say? There is a human element to most new stories.
 
So it would have been better had the child killed someone else so she could have learned from her mistake? Seriously? What you consider unfortunate, I do not in that regard.

Never ever said that. Why would I think it would have been better?????

I was just making it clear that if the person responsible for the incident was not dead and it was someone else - her actions would lead to serious charges.(criminal and civil).
 
Actually according to the report.. her gun was secured in her purse in a purse specially designed for concealed carry. I am familiar with these type of purses.. they have a hidden pocket, that is dedicated for the gun.. its not like it was in the main bag, or main compartment with her other belongings.. that she was going in and out of. Which by the way... is probably the MAIN way that women carry concealed.. in a main pocket in a purse.. not in a dedicated concealed carry bag. This lady was likely much more secured in her carry than the vast majority of females that carry.

By all accounts this WAS an accident. I don't find a need to blame anyone... things happen. That's it
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Tell all of that to the dead lady, I'm sure that she'll be glad to hear it.
 
I have seen video of someone texting while walking and falling in a canal!

Here it is:

You can cure ignorance with education but there's no cure for stupid. (That I know of.)

Yes there is, but it's terminal, the end.
 
I would like to see the news article. I see that because there's a lot of old guns out there that don't have those firing pin safeties. But the other thing, is that when I've talked with police officers who've investigated things like this, they'll have someone claiming that the gun just went off or they dropped it, and when the cops look at the gun it's mechanically in perfect working order.. People often have their pride really hurt by accidental discharges and in many cases they're willing to forget that they had actually been playing with the trigger

They said that about the little boy who accidentally shot his classmate over in Bremerton. I dont know if they lied intentionally or not (media). They said he dropped the backpack with the semi-auto in it on the desk and it went off. That's a lie, it has to be. I dont know if they were just ignorant or were trying to protect the boy. I saw the gun on the news....modern semi-auto. It didnt go off accidentally when dropped. He has his hand in that backpack, fiddling with the gun.
 
Actually according to the report.. her gun was secured in her purse in a purse specially designed for concealed carry. I am familiar with these type of purses.. they have a hidden pocket, that is dedicated for the gun.. its not like it was in the main bag, or main compartment with her other belongings.. that she was going in and out of. Which by the way... is probably the MAIN way that women carry concealed.. in a main pocket in a purse.. not in a dedicated concealed carry bag. This lady was likely much more secured in her carry than the vast majority of females that carry.

By all accounts this WAS an accident. I don't find a need to blame anyone... things happen. That's it.

The woman's son must have been a contortionist or a Houdini to get that hidden pocket open, since it was not really secured or really in her possession, left unattended. Bad, really bad.
 
When you buy a new or used gun from a gun store in Florida, they give you a yellow pamphlet outlining the rules as far as minors and guns.
Yet, these things can and do happen.

IMO you should know all the safety rules and laws for your state before you walk out of a store with a gun. I studied up on before, there are plenty of resources out there.
 
Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

I have several different ones, all designed for carry, but fanny packs scream "gun!" Plus I believe that fanny packs should be carried over the fanny...out of reach altho they work on the side too. I can have my hand on my gun, in my purse, walking thru a parking lot, and no one is the wiser. I just look like I'm getting my keys.

BTW, I know Kathy (Cornered Cat)...she's here in WA St.

Really?!!

Kathy Jackson, IIRC - I know her on gun forums as Pax.

Very cool!

She has a great reputation online - she is very knowledgeable, and doesn't take **** from morons.
 
Not sexism, reality.
As a fanny-pack wearer you're well aware of 'satchels', so if your comment wasn't sexist then you would have left out "as a man".

Go look at the women's clothing aisle at the store....
Security asked me to leave last time I did that ;)

...not many option there ideal for hiding firearms.
Solution.

I use a fanny pack...
Bro-Code #133: Bros shall not wear a Fanny Pack/Bum Bag.

The other thing is, I was teaching a woman to shoot, and the belt loops on her jeans weren't wide enough to allow a pistol belt to be inserted, women's trousers evidentially have thinner belt loops
 
Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

I read somewhere that Walmart's policy on CC is to follow whatever the law is of that particular state that the store resides. However, the management prefers the gun remain concealed. If it becomes visible, Walmart can respectfully ask that the weapon be concealed immediately; if the person does not respond to management's request, the person that is carrying could be asked to leave.

I wonder if the company's policy will change any now that this incident has happened?

If it's legal in the state, they really cant do more than try to enforce a trespass law if they catch someone. They cant make it illegal to carry a loaded gun in their store (I dont think so anyway).
 
Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

Really?!!

Kathy Jackson, IIRC - I know her on gun forums as Pax.

Very cool!

She has a great reputation online - she is very knowledgeable, and doesn't take **** from morons.

Yes, Pax.
 
Actually according to the report.. her gun was secured in her purse in a purse specially designed for concealed carry. I am familiar with these type of purses.. they have a hidden pocket, that is dedicated for the gun.. its not like it was in the main bag, or main compartment with her other belongings.. that she was going in and out of. Which by the way... is probably the MAIN way that women carry concealed.. in a main pocket in a purse.. not in a dedicated concealed carry bag. This lady was likely much more secured in her carry than the vast majority of females that carry.

By all accounts this WAS an accident. I don't find a need to blame anyone... things happen. That's it.



As a matter of fact it appears that this lady was violating Idaho law. She was carrying a loaded concealed weapon.

Learn more here: In Idaho gun tragedy, does it matter that mother took precautions? - CSMonitor.com

Nothing that this lady did stopped this from happening.
 
Now that you mention it, she could have got the message from you or someone like you. How would you feel if you were the one who told her she would be safer carrying a gun in her purse at Walmart or sold that mother the AR-15 that killed her and all those children in Sandy Hook? Would you be sorry?

She had a brain and could make her own decisions. She made an error....she let the purse out of her control. That is 100% a no-no and she most likely knew that. (almost positively).
 
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