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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Me thinks lack of training and education in the operation of what you own has more to do with this than NRA koolaid.

    If she was a new owner, someone, maybe where she purchased it, could have offered a training session with her, so this might not have happened, but, she did leave a child near the firearm, so it was basically stupidity. IMO.
    When you buy a new or used gun from a gun store in Florida, they give you a yellow pamphlet outlining the rules as far as minors and guns.
    Yet, these things can and do happen.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I'm sorry but I don't see here death as inevitable. She bought the NRA kool-aid and is dead for it. I'm sure she actually believed that her gun could never hurt her only make her safer. That is what the NRA is selling..peace of mind. It doesn't include any of the "ugly" side of gun ownership and neither do gun dealers. Like that fact that your own gun is 10 times more likely to kill you or a loved one than a bad guy. If she had known the risks she would probably be alive today...a lot of people would. Guns are not for everyone, and selling them like appliances is criminal negligence.
    NRA has koolaid? Man that just makes me thirsty. Its hot down here in Florida. Just who is selling Koolaid?

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    NRA has koolaid? Man that just makes me thirsty. Its hot down here in Florida. Just who is selling Koolaid?
    it appears to have been a drive by post-he didn't return to defend that silly unwarranted attack on the NRA



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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    The problem here is not the NRA. The problem is Darwinism. You know, that rule of thumb that states that dumb asses aren't meant long for this world.

    Maybe this is God's way of teaching us to keep our pieces out of the reach of 2 year old's.

    Yeah, it's really sad. I'm just grateful that the 2 year old didn't get shot.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Honestly.. I don't really see so far that the women was being irresponsible. She had a weapon.. in the purse, in a special pocket designed for it. I am sorry, but the idea that a two year old.. is going to find the hidden pocket, unzip it.. be able to handle the weapon.. and fire it, AND hit his mother and kill her?

    There is a lot of things that had to go wrong at multiple steps for that to happen. So far.. I don't think it was being irresponsible.. I think it was simply bad luck. Crap happens... even when you prepare. There is a risk to life. There is risk to owning a car and driving it on the street. Every accident on the street "could have been prevented".. if everyone simply didn't drive.

    there is a risk to owning firearms.. heck there is a risk in NOT owning a firearm.

    The fact is that there are thousands upon thousands of weapons in the homes, purses, glove compartments, and pockets of americans. And probably the majority of those weapons are NOT as well secured as the woman having a firearm in a concealed carry purse with a special dedicated pocket for it. And yet.... tragedies like this make the news... because they are exceedingly rare... tremendously rare... more rare than falling in the bathtub and dying.

    Just thought I would interject a little perspective.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    The problem here is not the NRA. The problem is Darwinism. You know, that rule of thumb that states that dumb asses aren't meant long for this world.

    Maybe this is God's way of teaching us to keep our pieces out of the reach of 2 year old's.

    Yeah, it's really sad. I'm just grateful that the 2 year old didn't get shot.
    Would this be anything other than a local news story if she had just had a car accident?

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I agree. I have a couple competition pistols that don't have firing pin blocks but they aren't carry pistols.
    I think modifications were also the problem of the accidental discharges with Remington rifles. Evidently, the trigger mechanism was easy to adjust. Home gunsmiths would then accidently adjust it to where the trigger pull was extremely light, or almost non existant.

    Then, rather than keeping the weapon seperate and not carrying it chambered, they carried for everyday hunting with bad results.

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    But what I'm saying is when I've talked with police officers who investigated these types of things when they have their department armor look at the gun after I checked and evidence they never find anything wrong with it.
    A friend of mine, who ironically was a polcie officer, claimed that forcefully shoving a magazine with a chambered round into his service weapon caused it to fire, and put a hole in the ceiling of the squad room. The Department and the manufacturer examined the weapon and could not find anything wrong with it.

    The true cause was: Bored Homo Sapiens performing a functions check on a weapon, while thinking of other things... .
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Honestly.. I don't really see so far that the women was being irresponsible. She had a weapon.. in the purse, in a special pocket designed for it. I am sorry, but the idea that a two year old.. is going to find the hidden pocket, unzip it.. be able to handle the weapon.. and fire it, AND hit his mother and kill her?
    Of all the millions of gun owners, this specific series of circomstanses lined up just right one time.

    It's a statistical inevitability.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Of course you WOULD come in to dance in the blood of a dead woman to further your own ideological hatred. The fact that you know nothing about the woman or her belief system but have no problem assigning your own personal bias and hatred to her speaks volumes of you.
    Right . It is much more respectful to write her off as an imbecile and go about your business.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    I wonder if she had a CCP on a whim or whether she was a serious gun owner.

    Perhaps she was just stuck on stupid.

    She did not have control of her weapon and she left access to her toddler - it seems that she broke every rule out there.

    So tragic for all involved.

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