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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by WhyteRash View Post
    there are many that are produced without the safety lever, instead the "safety" is built into the trigger asm., requiring that someone pull the trigger to allow the pin to release.. its like adding about 1/8" extra pull on the trigger.
    my last S&W .40 has this and i can understand how people have trouble with it..
    The best safety. Is between the ears.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    It depends on what you're comfortable with. If you're carrying a Glock and can't keep your hands off the damned thing it's probably better to carry condition 3. Otherwise most pistols are perfectly safe to carry condition 1. WRT the kids....don't have the damned pistol where they can get their hands on it! If you're carrying somewhere that's not on your body then don't put the package down.

    I'm assuming that this woman had the gun in her purse and the purse in the shopping cart. If so that's wrong on a several levels but at the top of the list is that she wasn't in control of the weapon.
    According to the family, the purse had a pocket specifically for concealed weapons. The mom was also very experienced with guns.
    The inside story of how an Idaho toddler shot his mom at Wal-Mart - The Washington Post


    It's a terrible situation for the family, especially the child who shot her.

    Even responsible gun owners (which it sounds like she was) screw up. So sad.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    "should not" is a nice thought, but not that long ago a gun was dropped in a movie theater and went off.
    I would like to see the news article. I see that because there's a lot of old guns out there that don't have those firing pin safeties. But the other thing, is that when I've talked with police officers who've investigated things like this, they'll have someone claiming that the gun just went off or they dropped it, and when the cops look at the gun it's mechanically in perfect working order.. People often have their pride really hurt by accidental discharges and in many cases they're willing to forget that they had actually been playing with the trigger

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Well, it was basically not following firearm safety rules,

    I was taught not to have a round in the chamber in semi auto pistols and rifles, or on any pistol or rifle for that matter, and to leave one cylinder empty on a revolver where the hammer is in the rest position to prevent accidental discharge,
    I was as well. The few occasions that I decide to load my semi automatic pistol (I usually keep the magazine seperate from the pistol), I still do not chamber a round out of habit.

    That aside, I think both of those rules were written in earlier generations when accidental discharges with pistols were far more common. Modern pistols have improved designs incuding a mechanism in revolvers that make it impossible to fire the weapon via the hammer with out pulling the trigger.

    Likewise, most, or nearly all, semi automatic pistols have new designs where the hammer is no moved to the "ready position" (I dont know the technical terms) when the weapon is charged. Instead, they are double action.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    I would like to see the news article. I see that because there's a lot of old guns out there that don't have those firing pin safeties. But the other thing, is that when I've talked with police officers who've investigated things like this, they'll have someone claiming that the gun just went off or they dropped it, and when the cops look at the gun it's mechanically in perfect working order.. People often have their pride really hurt by accidental discharges and in many cases they're willing to forget that they had actually been playing with the trigger
    Here you go
    Man drops gun in movie theater, shooting self in buttocks - U.S. News

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    This is just beyond horrible. She was far from dumb, she was a nuclear research scientist who that day made a poor choice and it unfortunately cost her her life. She had her three other children with her too so they all witnessed that.

    Heartbreaking for all involved.


    Woman's 2-year-old son accidentally shoots, kills her at Hayden Wal-Mart - Spokesman.com - Dec. 30, 2014
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Well see this is where the detective part of me is frustrated at the news media. I would've asked two questions one) what type of gun, and two) was there anything defective with it. I never said no gun will discharge when dropped, I said modern firearms will not.

    Problem is most reporters don't know anything about guns so they don't know how to ask these questions.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Well see this is where the detective part of me is frustrated at the news media. I would've asked two questions one) what type of gun, and two) was there anything defective with it. I never said no gun will discharge when dropped, I said modern firearms will not.
    I agree- the odds of an "I dropped the weapon, and it just fired" incident with a modern pistol is very, very remote- perhaps even near mechanically impossible.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    I agree- the odds of an "I dropped the weapon, and it just fired" incident with a modern pistol is very, very remote- perhaps even near mechanically impossible.
    I agree. I have a couple competition pistols that don't have firing pin blocks but they aren't carry pistols.



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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    I agree- the odds of an "I dropped the weapon, and it just fired" incident with a modern pistol is very, very remote- perhaps even near mechanically impossible.
    Well yeah, and if a firearm did go off when dropped and it had a drop safety, then in armor certified by the manufacture should be able to find something wrong with it. But the news never asks that. If you went to your living room and flipped on the light switch and no lights came on, and then an electrician trace the whole system and says there's nothing wrong with it, you wouldn't believe him there's obviously something wrong with that because the lights aren't coming on. Same with guns. If a gun with a drop safety fires when dropped than any mechanical inspection should reveal a problem with it. But what I'm saying is when I've talked with police officers who investigated these types of things when they have their department armor look at the gun after I checked and evidence they never find anything wrong with it.

    I mean there was a case where a guy drop it done and it went off near my house, Took out a leg get a piece of furniture at the cost plus world market at the Silverdale mall, but he was carrying a replica of an 1870s era Derringer, The replicas made for collectors they come with a manual that says do not carry it because they are they do have that problem they will go off if dropped.
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