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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

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    Well, it was basically not following firearm safety rules,

    I was taught not to have a round in the chamber in semi auto pistols and rifles, and to leave one cylinder empty on a revolver where the hammer is in the rest position to prevent accidental discharge,

    might be a good reason for people who want to own a firearm to attend classes to learn more than they think they might know.
    Not having a round in the chamber of a carry gun relegates it's status to rock or paperweight.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Not having a round in the chamber of a carry gun relegates it's status to rock or paperweight.
    I realize that, but, it is safer.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Not having a round in the chamber of a carry gun relegates it's status to rock or paperweight.


    Problem is, in the event that I need a gun, I'd hate to have a rock or a paperweight.


    But yes, if it's in a purse, near your kid...... wait, it should never be in your purse near your kid.


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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I'm sorry but I don't see here death as inevitable. She bought the NRA kool-aid and is dead for it. I'm sure she actually believed that her gun could never hurt her only make her safer. That is what the NRA is selling..peace of mind. It doesn't include any of the "ugly" side of gun ownership and neither do gun dealers. Like that fact that your own gun is 10 times more likely to kill you or a loved one than a bad guy. If she had known the risks she would probably be alive today...a lot of people would. Guns are not for everyone, and selling them like appliances is criminal negligence.
    Me thinks lack of training and education in the operation of what you own has more to do with this than NRA koolaid.

    If she was a new owner, someone, maybe where she purchased it, could have offered a training session with her, so this might not have happened, but, she did leave a child near the firearm, so it was basically stupidity. IMO.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    I realize that, but, it is safer.
    I disagree - any quality loaded weapon carried and handled intelligently is safe.

    I carry a Kahr PM45 daily - it is a striker fired weapon with no manual safety.

    When I first purchased it 5 years ago, I was concerned about it's safety, as it had no manual safety.

    I read an article which advised to completely unload the weapon and carry it around the house and see how many times the gun 'went off', which was zero.

    I did exactly that, and it was exactly and perfectly safe!

    Loaded weapons do not bother me in the least, as I have complete confidence in my ability to be safe, and the gun's design.

    The old adage of carrying with an empty chamber was rooted in ignorance and fear.

    It also stems from the old habit of carrying a SA revolver with the hammer over an empty chamber - this was due to the firing pin being externally mounted on the hammer - a blow to the hammer would fire a live round due to the fact that the firing pin rested on the round's primer.

    The new transfer bar technology for SA revolvers required the trigger to actually be pulled back in order to allow the firing pin to access the live round.

    Proper gun handling will circumvent the concerns of having a live round in the chamber.

    Also, trying to rack a slide to chamber under stress in order to fire an auto when needed would be much more dangerous in adding additional steps prior to firing.

    I am not beating you up here at all, just conveying information.
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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    good thing she had it with her, I hear Wal-Mart is a dangerous p0lace to be nowadays.
    No location can be considered safe these days if one is unprepared - there are criminals and fools everywhere.

    Being prepared 100% of the time is intelligent - being a blind fool will get you killed every time.

    I am always prepared and safe.
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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    I feel so bad for the toddler. I hope there is a father or a very loving person to take care of that baby now and they never make it feel like they are to blame in any way.
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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Well, it was basically not following firearm safety rules,

    I was taught not to have a round in the chamber in semi auto pistols and rifles, or on any pistol or rifle for that matter, and to leave one cylinder empty on a revolver where the hammer is in the rest position to prevent accidental discharge,

    might be a good reason for people who want to own a firearm to attend classes to learn more than they think they might know.
    I agree. People who don't have someone to teach them the basics of firearm safety should take a 'good' class.
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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    This is a very sad and unfortunate situation. I am all for 2nd Amendment rights, but more so for all the responsibilities that come with those rights, not to mention a common sense approach when it comes to carrying a deadly weapon.
    Kids and guns....hello. Most people can't control their kids in the best of circumstances, so what makes them think that a loaded weapon should be anywhere near them?
    I also don't understand what world we live in that makes us want to carry a weapon at all times, willing to shoot at anyone we perceive as threatening. I don't even know whom to fear more, a potential perpetrator or some gun lover with a nervous trigger finger. We can imagine being a hero, but are we?

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    May not have had a safety. Many don't. Its not unusual.

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