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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I see no reason to assume the child couldn't turn the saftey off.

    I feel like you're ok with a 2 year old handling a loaded firearm as long as the gun has a manual safety.

    The presence or absence of a manual safety isn't the issue. The gun being left where the 2 year old could get to it is the issue. No training class can make sure you never leave your gun in a bag and step away.
    I'll allow it's possible if you'll acknowledge it would significantly less likely.

    I can't really think of any good reason to give a firearm to a 2 year old at all, but unloaded with the action open and under close supervision would be the way I'd choose.

    I agree that lady in this story was not handling her weapon properly.

    My issue in this topic is the way that manual safeties are consistently decried as dangerous to the user, when my own experience is that it is the absence of manual safeties contribute to accidental shootings.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Look I understand where youre coming from and I respect your reasons for keeping a round chambered. Im just speaking strictly for myself in regards to why I dont chamber a round when I carry. To me if someone is within hand to hand range I probably wouldnt use a gun and I have studied and trained in martial arts so Im not gonna wrestle with him on the ground trying to pull my gun out, instead I'll just use hand to hand combatives till he is no longer a threat or until I am far enough away where I can pull out my gun, rack and fire.
    I completely agree. I am not in the 'draw down' bunch. That's also why purse carry is a reasonable option for me. I esp. agree on the close range assessment.

    However my post also, especially mentioned not having the ability to rack the slide at all. Having done alot of IDPA training and studying the types of struggles and situations I might get into, something like that....including gun retention...made me decide to do so. And I dont have any concerns about it 'going off,' for some reason I've always been comfortable doing so.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    I'll allow it's possible if you'll acknowledge it would significantly less likely.

    I can't really think of any good reason to give a firearm to a 2 year old at all, but unloaded with the action open and under close supervision would be the way I'd choose.

    I agree that lady in this story was not handling her weapon properly.

    My issue in this topic is the way that manual safeties are consistently decried as dangerous to the user, when my own experience is that it is the absence of manual safeties contribute to accidental shootings.
    I wouldn't allow a 2 year old to possess a semi-automatic pistol under any circumstances. Even if unloaded and with the action open, the child could get their fingers pinched near the slide, or worse could accidentally allow the slide to slam forward, which depending on the gun could remove some skin or the child's entire hand.
    Either I'm right or you're wrong.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    But you shooting the beretta more accuratly than a glock is not the same thing as the beretta being more accurate. Only that you shot the beretta better. I see this a lot with 1911 guys. They are used to the trigger on a 1911 and when they shoot a Glock the don't shoot it as well and right away claim the Glock is inaccurate when the truth is they just can't shoot it accuratly. I had the same problem when my unit switched from M9s to Glock 19s. It took me a fair amount of time before I could use the Glock as effectively. Now I am more accurate with a Glock and my split times and other pro timer work are quite a bit faster

    No the L92 may be a more accurate but two guns inherent accuracy should not be judged by 1 shooter and one or two examples of each weapon.
    I dont know the technical term for it but some guns do point better, making picking up the target easier. I tried many guns at the range, all in the same 'category' before buying. And proper fit in your hand makes a difference too.

    Hence, no Glocks for me. They did not fit my hand well. And they are ugly as sin while my M&P is a handsome machine
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post

    OK, maybe the wild west as on John Wayne films.

    You tell me why do you get so attached to tools of death? Why define yourself by such things?
    Again your perspective is skewed. They are not tools of death...they are tools of freedom. Historically and as a current reminder.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Now that you mention it, she could have got the message from you or someone like you. How would you feel if you were the one who told her she would be safer carrying a gun in her purse at Walmart or sold that mother the AR-15 that killed her and all those children in Sandy Hook? Would you be sorry?
    Nope, not at all sorry.
    And prove an AR was used at Sandy Hoax.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I dont know the technical term for it but some guns do point better, making picking up the target easier. I tried many guns at the range, all in the same 'category' before buying. And proper fit in your hand makes a difference too.

    Hence, no Glocks for me. They did not fit my hand well. And they are ugly as sin while my M&P is a handsome machine
    I understand what you are talking about. How a gun feels is a very personal thing and comes a lot from what you are used to. Someone who grew up shooting 1911s is probably not going to like the way a Glock feels atleast not right off the bat due to the difference in grip angle. Not sure if one angle is actually better than the other bit either way it is something that can easily be changed with training.

    When we switched from M9s I was always presenting the Glock low and than had to raise the front to align the sites. After thousands of rounds and hours upon hours of training I can now close my eyes and go from position 1 to 4 and have the sights lined up enough to be in the black at 10 meters. Couldn't have done that when we first switched

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Nope, not at all sorry.
    And prove an AR was used at Sandy Hoax.
    Sandy "Hoax?" Why do you call it that?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Sandy "Hoax?" Why do you call it that?
    Never heard the word hoax before?

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Never heard the word hoax before?

    What do claim is a hoax about it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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