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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    From reading here, I'm not sure people realize how fast and hard violence happens. I keep a round chambered. If someone grabs me, and has one arm or one arm trapped....I'm screwed. You need to be able to shoot in an instant, while moving, maybe grappling, maybe from the ground. That's why I also wont have a grip safety. (a thumb safety yes).

    If you need that firearm, you have already been targeted by a predator, you are possibly behind the curve reacting. You need every second and every advantage because they have already scoped out the situation and arranged it to THEIR advantage. Your best hope is that they dont realize you are armed and that you can use that firearm immediately.
    Look I understand where youre coming from and I respect your reasons for keeping a round chambered. Im just speaking strictly for myself in regards to why I dont chamber a round when I carry. To me if someone is within hand to hand range I probably wouldnt use a gun and I have studied and trained in martial arts so Im not gonna wrestle with him on the ground trying to pull my gun out, instead I'll just use hand to hand combatives till he is no longer a threat or until I am far enough away where I can pull out my gun, rack and fire.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Without our gun culture we'd probably still be British, too. Or, at least, our judges would be wearing wigs.
    Which is worse;

    1 Having judges look especially formal in higher courts. or,

    2 Being randomly shot when somebody accidentally fires their gun whilst fumbling for their car keys.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's silly. and I remember Britain after WWI-lots of Brits got rid of their guns. They thought that would prevent another WW. It didn't. and with the Nazis threatening an invasion, the gunless Brits were afraid and asked US to help them out. My grandfather did-he sent several weapons to britain including a Springfield Rifle and a Mauser 98 he had taken as a war trophy in France Circa 1918. The Nazis never invaded but had they tried, Britain would have been much better prepared due to AMERICAN gun owners donating THOUSANDS OF VALUABLE weapons to our British friends
    Do you seriously believe that?

    That was a propaganda thing. I very much doubt that the guns ever made it across the Atlantic. Germany was not defeated by small arms. If you need to fight a state you will need a lot more than a few old rifles of many different ammunition types.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    In my view its having an extra layer of safety. If there is no round in the chamber its virtually impossible for an accidental discharge to happen. However, I respect others who are highly trained enough that do chamber their weapons, I have no problems with them, I myself just prefer to be somewhat safer and I'll trade that extra time that I have to ready my weapon in an emergency with that extra layer of safety.
    There is no "high training" for carrying a chambered pistol and not having an incident. There's no class for that, no drill. You just put the chambered gun in the holster, and that's it.

    Maybe practicing structured nonobservance and leaving the gun alone once it's holstered is the thing to train for.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The wild-west wasn't as wild as you think:

    Do you think we own cars because we want to live on a race track? Do you think we own computers because we want to live in The Matrix? Do you think we invest money because we want to own banks?
    DC 183 Murders (31 per 100,000 residents)
    New York 494 Murders (6 per 100,000 residents)
    Baltimore 281 Murders (45 per 100,000 residents)
    Newark 104 Murders (37 per 100,000 residents)

    OK, maybe the wild west as on John Wayne films.

    You tell me why do you get so attached to tools of death? Why define yourself by such things?

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post

    OK, maybe the wild west as on John Wayne films.

    You tell me why do you get so attached to tools of death? Why define yourself by such things?
    I don't know that I've ever 'defined' myself. In fact I'm not even sure what that means.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
    Do you seriously believe that?

    That was a propaganda thing. I very much doubt that the guns ever made it across the Atlantic. Germany was not defeated by small arms. If you need to fight a state you will need a lot more than a few old rifles of many different ammunition types.

    I know I don't have two nice rifles I would have ended up with and a couple other guns because my grandfather sent them off to England I also know I have nothing but contempt for what your government did to pistol shooters after Dunblane



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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    When should not have to do training exercise a fundamental right. In Washington we don't require any training at all to get a concealed carry license just to clean criminal background.
    Makes one wonder why all police and militaries throughout the entire planet train their people. Why not save money and simply give them a weapon.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    Makes one wonder why all police and militaries throughout the entire planet train their people. Why not save money and simply give them a weapon.
    Regular citizens are not going into combat situations. Military training is inconsistent with civilian self-defense.
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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post

    OK, maybe the wild west as on John Wayne films.

    You tell me why do you get so attached to tools of death? Why define yourself by such things?
    Haha "tools of death". The reason we in America cherrish firearms is because it's what gained us our Freedom from a repressive kingdom. We then made a vow to our countrymen that we'd allow our citizens to keep these "tools of death" to prevent our government from becoming like England- too controlling.

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