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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    Really curious to hear why you think Glocks are such bad guns.

    Personally there is no gun I would rather carry. I carried one on 2 combat deployments and it is my personal carry weapon. They are also the choice of tons of police and military units as well as competition shooters. They have done tortute tests that most other guns wouldn't have stood a chance in. The Glock pretty much changed the handgun world.

    What is it about them you hate.
    Horrible feel, not accrute, and everyone I have ever use jams or fails to feed about every 5th round.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    glocks don't have manual safeties

    its why they are so popular with the police and competitive action shooters

    its why my son uses them for steel competitions and why my wife has one in a lockbox under the bed

    its why I NEVER carry one concealed
    I honestly don't get what the big worry a lot of folks seem to have over CCing a Glock. As long as your weapon is in a decently designed holster there is zero chance of it firing while being carried.
    My work one has sat in my holster thru 2 trips down range and tons of training events and never once fired unless I pulled the trigger. That is with climbing over walls, in and out of countless vehicles, running through woods, crawling thru brush, fast roping out of birds and pretty much anything else you can think of. That's a fair amount more activity than your average CCer so I really just don't get the concern.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Horrible feel, not accrute, and everyone I have ever use jams or fails to feed about every 5th round.
    1) i find Glocks just as accurate as Berettas sigs, and SW MPs. I know because I have won matches with all of those and my son constantly is beating 95% of the top steel shooters in SW Ohio with a Glock and lots of those shooters are using STI target pistols, CZ SP-01s or Shadows

    2) My son shot 30 steel matches this summer with a GLOCK 34 using my reloads. HE HAD ONE jam and it was one that had a bit too much wax on the lead bullet thats. 2500+ rounds with ONE FTF. last year he had Zero Jams and that is a kid who at that time was under 120 pounds.



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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Horrible feel, not accrute, and everyone I have ever use jams or fails to feed about every 5th round.
    The feel I get as that is a subjective thing and everyone is different. As to the rest I find that pretty strange. Not saying you are lying or anything just strange.
    Glocks are good enough for them to be huge in the competition world where accuracy is quite important, now some people don't shoot them accurately but that is not the guns fault.
    My personal experience along with tons of military units and police departments choose them in large part due to their extreme reliability. I have put thousands and thousands of rounds thru Glocks and can count on one hand how many jams I have had that I didn't intentionally induce.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) i find Glocks just as accurate as Berettas sigs, and SW MPs. I know because I have won matches with all of those and my son constantly is beating 95% of the top steel shooters in SW Ohio with a Glock and lots of those shooters are using STI target pistols, CZ SP-01s or Shadows

    2) My son shot 30 steel matches this summer with a GLOCK 34 using my reloads. HE HAD ONE jam and it was one that had a bit too much wax on the lead bullet thats. 2500+ rounds with ONE FTF. last year he had Zero Jams and that is a kid who at that time was under 120 pounds.
    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    The feel I get as that is a subjective thing and everyone is different. As to the rest I find that pretty strange. Not saying you are lying or anything just strange.
    Glocks are good enough for them to be huge in the competition world where accuracy is quite important, now some people don't shoot them accurately but that is not the guns fault.
    My personal experience along with tons of military units and police departments choose them in large part due to their extreme reliability. I have put thousands and thousands of rounds thru Glocks and can count on one hand how many jams I have had that I didn't intentionally induce.
    That's nice but for me every Glock I have used was a POS.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    That's nice but for me every Glock I have used was a POS.
    I have owned over two dozen, carried one in some job situations since it was what they issued US Marshals and shot another 20 or so extensively at training facilities. I might have had 10 jams in over 50,000 rounds and it was usually crappy ammo. I am pretty confident I can hit a soda pop can almost every time at 25 yards with ANY GLOCK model. with a 34, a 35 a 17L or a 24 it would be every time



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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) i find Glocks just as accurate as Berettas sigs, and SW MPs. I know because I have won matches with all of those and my son constantly is beating 95% of the top steel shooters in SW Ohio with a Glock and lots of those shooters are using STI target pistols, CZ SP-01s or Shadows

    2) My son shot 30 steel matches this summer with a GLOCK 34 using my reloads. HE HAD ONE jam and it was one that had a bit too much wax on the lead bullet thats. 2500+ rounds with ONE FTF. last year he had Zero Jams and that is a kid who at that time was under 120 pounds.
    I've shot Glock's for years. Then today I borrowed a friends Beretta compact L 92. Fire 10 rounds and repeatedly hit center of target with no issues. Much better than I have shot any Glock. I think my next gun purchase will be a Beretta I think the Beretta is much more inherently accurate than the Glock
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    I've shot Glock's for years. Then today I borrowed a friends Beretta compact L 92. Fire 10 rounds and repeatedly hit center of target with no issues. Much better than I have shot any Glock. I think my next gun purchase will be a Beretta I think the Beretta is much more inherently accurate than the Glock
    But you shooting the beretta more accuratly than a glock is not the same thing as the beretta being more accurate. Only that you shot the beretta better. I see this a lot with 1911 guys. They are used to the trigger on a 1911 and when they shoot a Glock the don't shoot it as well and right away claim the Glock is inaccurate when the truth is they just can't shoot it accuratly. I had the same problem when my unit switched from M9s to Glock 19s. It took me a fair amount of time before I could use the Glock as effectively. Now I am more accurate with a Glock and my split times and other pro timer work are quite a bit faster

    No the L92 may be a more accurate but two guns inherent accuracy should not be judged by 1 shooter and one or two examples of each weapon.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    They really need to stop calling it a "safety" anyway because of rule #1 "always treat a firearm as if it's loaded"...we never treat a firearm as if it's "safe".

    When I see well meaning people talk about not chambering a round or only carrying a gun with a manual safety...see I just did it right there...I empathize and somewhat agree with what they're saying, but it's frustrating to me that a gun owner would ever regard their gun as "safe" because they did those things.
    In my view its having an extra layer of safety. If there is no round in the chamber its virtually impossible for an accidental discharge to happen. However, I respect others who are highly trained enough that do chamber their weapons, I have no problems with them, I myself just prefer to be somewhat safer and I'll trade that extra time that I have to ready my weapon in an emergency with that extra layer of safety.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    In my view its having an extra layer of safety. If there is no round in the chamber its virtually impossible for an accidental discharge to happen. However, I respect others who are highly trained enough that do chamber their weapons, I have no problems with them, I myself just prefer to be somewhat safer and I'll trade that extra time that I have to ready my weapon in an emergency with that extra layer of safety.
    From reading here, I'm not sure people realize how fast and hard violence happens. I keep a round chambered. If someone grabs me, and has one arm or one arm trapped....I'm screwed. You need to be able to shoot in an instant, while moving, maybe grappling, maybe from the ground. That's why I also wont have a grip safety. (a thumb safety yes).

    If you need that firearm, you have already been targeted by a predator, you are possibly behind the curve reacting. You need every second and every advantage because they have already scoped out the situation and arranged it to THEIR advantage. Your best hope is that they dont realize you are armed and that you can use that firearm immediately.
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