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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    You're a criminal?
    That question is somehow related to this thread?

    Concealed carry is not illegal in ID.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

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    The tampon can't kill anyone no matter how much you want it to.
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    ....wtf am I reading....
    Chambering a round?

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Chambering a round?
    Talk about having a negligent discharge....

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Do you charge the mother or do you charge the son?

    If she was alive I would charge the mother.

    Creating such an accident waiting to happen is beyond stupid.

    Do not carry guns if you are not trained to know what to do with them.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    ahh sorry I saw someone mention a 1911 and thought that is what the gun was. I haven't see anything describing the gun.
    They really need to stop calling it a "safety" anyway because of rule #1 "always treat a firearm as if it's loaded"...we never treat a firearm as if it's "safe".

    When I see well meaning people talk about not chambering a round or only carrying a gun with a manual safety...see I just did it right there...I empathize and somewhat agree with what they're saying, but it's frustrating to me that a gun owner would ever regard their gun as "safe" because they did those things.
    Last edited by Jerry; 01-01-15 at 11:40 AM.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    They really need to stop calling it a "safety" anyway because of rule #1 "always treat a firearm as if it's loaded"...we never treat a firearm as if it's "safe".
    It think it was a mistake to ever call "firing pin\other internal safeties" safeties, as they serve a different purpose.

    A traditional manual safety would have likely prevented this accident, since the kid could pull on the trigger all day and nothing would happen unless the safety was released.

    These new "safeties" would only come into play if the gun was dropped or struck. Pulling the trigger under any circumstance fires the gun, as in this case.

    Both can be carried safely, but the new style demands a higher level of care. I think for "professional" shooters, who are actively preparing combat as part of their job\life, the internal safeties make sense, but for most self defense users, a manual safety should be encouraged.

    Instead, my impression is that new gun owners are steered towards the lastest and greatest, and manual safeties are regarded as dangerous time wasters that will get you killed, when it is often the opposite.
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    Both can be carried safely, but the new style demands a higher level of care. I think for "professional" shooters, who are actively preparing combat as part of their job\life, the internal safeties make sense, but for most self defense users, a manual safety should be encouraged.
    I have to respectfully disagree.

    Any person carrying a gun is preparing to face combat. Cops, soldiers, security, moms....all the same. The sudden lack of fine motor skills in a spontaneously high-stress situation resulting in fumbling or completely failing to release the safety is a greater danger than having internal safeties.
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    These new "safeties" would only come into play if the gun was dropped or struck.
    That's not an issue with DAO or DASA triggers. An uncocked gun is drop-proof.

    I faced similar criticism while deployed with my machinegun. Unlike the M4, the M249 is carried uncocked. You can literally drive over it with a bulldozer and it will not fire. It's physically impossible.

    Just because you have a round in the chamber doesn't mean the weapon is cocked. A chambered 1911 with the hammer down is just fine, and a lot of people choose to carry that way and practice bringing the hammer back as part of their single-handed draw.
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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Not sure, but if a firearm isn't reported as stolen, missing or sold, isn't that illegal, can't an owner be taken to task?
    Depends on the state. However it's in the owner's best interests to report it stolen or sold so they arent accused of a crime if one's committed. And to get their expensive stolen property (gun) back.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I have to respectfully disagree.

    Any person carrying a gun is preparing to face combat. Cops, soldiers, security, moms....all the same. The sudden lack of fine motor skills in a spontaneously high-stress situation resulting in fumbling or completely failing to release the safety is a greater danger than having internal safeties.
    I dont know if that's such an issue re: safeties. It's just one more thing you practice so it's smooth and part of drawing and aiming. 1911's all have thumb safeties (and grip safeties which I do avoid). And they were originally combat weapons.

    I'm not recommending thumb safeties....if I didnt feel they were more prudent for my methods of carry and other circumstances, I wouldnt have them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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