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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    A 15 year old is still a child.
    If a 15 year old took a joy ride in a car...the question would be juvenile vs adult court. No CPS A 15 year old knows exactly what they are doing.

    If a 2 year old was controlling a car and went on a joy ride...the question would be "where are the fricken parents, and how the hell did this happen" CPS should be involved.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

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    I think iguanaman has started celebrating the new year
    Just as long as he is not behind the wheel while he is celebrating.......

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Terrible tragedy. I own 2 1911s and these guns have manual safeties on them but even then I dont chamber a round- Im not a cop so Im not expecting a quick draw and fire situation and I have trained myself doing the Isreali draw (which is racking the slide as you draw) so this means that the only possible way my son could accidentally fire this gun is that he needs to chamber a round before pulling the trigger, and he isnt strong enough to do that. Guns need to be treated carefully, especially when you have young children around- this tragedy could have easily been prevented.
    that is what I don't understand. why was the safety not on?
    even if the chamber was loaded why was the safety not on?

    chamber should never be loaded in the first place unless needed.
    more so why was it in reach of a 2 year old.

    I have a 2 year old and he is into everything coming and going.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    that is what I don't understand. why was the safety not on?
    even if the chamber was loaded why was the safety not on?

    chamber should never be loaded in the first place unless needed.
    more so why was it in reach of a 2 year old.

    I have a 2 year old and he is into everything coming and going.
    glocks don't have manual safeties

    its why they are so popular with the police and competitive action shooters

    its why my son uses them for steel competitions and why my wife has one in a lockbox under the bed

    its why I NEVER carry one concealed



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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    glocks don't have manual safeties

    its why they are so popular with the police and competitive action shooters

    its why my son uses them for steel competitions and why my wife has one in a lockbox under the bed

    its why I NEVER carry one concealed
    ahh sorry I saw someone mention a 1911 and thought that is what the gun was. I haven't see anything describing the gun.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    ahh sorry I saw someone mention a 1911 and thought that is what the gun was. I haven't see anything describing the gun.
    Found it.

    Rutledge was a mother, wife, a chemical engineer and an outdoorswoman. However Tuesday her life was cut tragically short when her son got into her purse, found her 9mm Smith & Wesson M&P Shield semi-automatic pistol and fired a single shot, striking her in the head and killing her instantly in front of Veronica's three young nieces as well as other Wal-mart shoppers and employees.

    Woman shot by toddler called responsible gun owner by friends, family | North Idaho - KXLY.com

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Found it.
    must be a newer model did a bit of research and S&W decided not to include the thumb safety on the newer versions.
    sorry but guns need to come with safeties or it should be a requirement for concealed carriers.

    i am all pro gun but if you are going to carry then you need to be responsible and having a gun with no safety is just not responsible.
    it would have saved this mom's life.

    what is more odd is that a 2 year old was able to pull the trigger to begin with. it must have a light action trigger on it.
    it has about 6.5 pounds of pressure needed to pull.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    must be a newer model did a bit of research and S&W decided not to include the thumb safety on the newer versions.
    sorry but guns need to come with safeties or it should be a requirement for concealed carriers.

    i am all pro gun but if you are going to carry then you need to be responsible and having a gun with no safety is just not responsible.
    it would have saved this mom's life.

    what is more odd is that a 2 year old was able to pull the trigger to begin with. it must have a light action trigger on it.
    it has about 6.5 pounds of pressure needed to pull.
    Well if you take a moment to click on the link I provided.....you'll see there are 10 different models of that gun, 2 of which are both 9mm and have no thumb safety; of those 2, one has a 6.5lb trigger pull, the other has a 10lb trigger pull.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    This 2 year old isn't a criminal, he's a 2 year old, and yes parents are responsible for keeping dangerous items away from children. This includes kitchen knives, household chemicals, keep the child from putting anything in an electrical outlet, etc.
    Well I agree...I have said that she made a fatal mistake, by letting it out of her control. Similar to the example I gave of the cop that left his car gun in the glove compartment when he went into the store and left his kids in the van.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Exactly. So if you're going to leave a gun in your car you need to keep a trigger lock or similar in your car for it.
    That makes it a bit hard to use if necessary, or a PIA everytime I get in and out of the vehicle. I am not required to do so in my state and again, dont feel any obligation for fault for people committing criminal acts.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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