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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You're preaching to the choir; my son could recite the Three Rules from memory before he was nine. My extended family includes twenty people today, and in the past century none of us or our ancestors, have injured anyone accidentally with a firearm, and we all have lots of them. Many of us CCW, and have or had small children while doing so, and have had no incidents.
    Agreed. You gotta have enough respect for your firearm to follow the rules .

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    nope, it was a criticism of CPS in WA state.

    but aside, CPS would not seize a child because of an accident involving a car. they don't seize children for accidents involving guns. unless the parents are black... oh ok well thinking aloud again.

    I can think of three local cases here where there were child gun accidents that involved fatalities and to the best of my knowledge CPS didn't remove the kids in any of them. I know of children abused by meth addicts that CPS does nothing about either.

    so bringing up CPS for the car analogy is flawed, we can look at gun accidents, CPS doesn't do anything there either.
    I said nothing of seizing children. But they would likely investigate as to why your toddler was behind the wheel and killed people.

    BTW, if your hatred behind Washington CPS was regarding that homebirthed breastfed case - it was pretty well debunked and the parents acknowledge they had multiple issues.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I said nothing of seizing children. But they would likely investigate as to why your toddler was behind the wheel and killed people.

    BTW, if your hatred behind Washington CPS was regarding that homebirthed breastfed case - it was pretty well debunked and the parents acknowledge they had multiple issues.
    my hatred of Washington CPS has to do with the Wenatchee Sex Abuse scandal and the Olympia Kiawanis Boys Ranch, in 2014 we're still settling lawsuits with taxpayer money from both.

    google that!

    well I'll do OKBR for you.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The tampon can't kill anyone no matter how much you want it to.
    Ever hear of Toxic Shock Syndrome?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    When I see a sign saying "no shirts, no shoes, no service" - I respect the views of the shopowner.

    Similarly with "no food no drink" signs - I make sure to finish before entering.

    I respect you, Lursa; and so I am surprised that you would bring a gun onto a premise that doesn't want them there.
    You know I respect you too. This is a very well thought out decision on my part and has been discussed a great deal on gun forums where there is definitely NOT consensus on the issue and many agree with you.

    First...no harm is done, the business owner does not know. Concealed means concealed. Shirt and shoes have public health foundations and are obvious. lf a business does post no guns I will happily take my business to their competitors if I can.

    The objection is a moral one and I'm not interested in the business owner's morals. Or yes, I may be. I no longer shop at Hobby Lobby. I do not patronize businesses where *I am aware of their moral views on an issue and I find it objectionable.* However they do not know any of my other views and I'm not interested in their opinions on my views or morals. And I keep my gun to myself just like I keep my opinions to myself when conducting business.

    Some businesses have insurance obligations that require they post no guns on their businesses and the business owner may not even support that viewpoint. And no harm is done to them as, again, it's concealed.

    Last, that business is not obligated to protect me in anyway should there be a crime committed there that threatens my life. Their security guards, if they have them, are to protect the store's property, etc. They have no intention of protecting me....that is always my responsibility and mine alone.

    I realize you may not agree but I hope you will consider my perspective.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    And if you have been around toddlers, you KNOW it is their job to be nosey and get into stuff. If my gun was in my purse (CCW purse or not), that purse would be crossbody - not left for anyone to get into. Hell, if you really know toddlers, he probably knew something worth exploring was in the purse.

    Yes, I think a parent having a loaded weapon in a purse and a child being able to access it is CLEARLY irresponsible.

    I think she showed a lack of respect for the weapon.
    I agree but also like I said, it may have been a momentary lapse of a woman juggling 4 kids in Walmart. A very costly lapse.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    The point being is that it was not JUST a zipper.. It was not a "mere zipper".. the gun was out of sight in a hidden pocket, she obviously wasn't far from the purse. etc.

    Point being is that child proof caps are often ineffective... so does that mean that according to you.. ANY child that gets their hands on prescription medication.. has stupid irresponsible parents?
    Do we know if the toddler even got the gun out of the purse? He may have gotten a hand in there and on the trigger. My purse holsters are tight enough that my finger wont fit inside them to reach the trigger. But a teeny 2 yr old? Maybe

    An excellent female strategy is to not even complete the draw but to fire from inside the purse. However you have to practice the angles and with a semi-auto you are only likely to get one shot because the slide may foul.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You know I respect you too. This is a very well thought out decision on my part and has been discussed a great deal on gun forums where there is definitely NOT consensus on the issue and many agree with you.

    First...no harm is done, the business owner does not know. Concealed means concealed. Shirt and shoes have public health foundations and are obvious. lf a business does post no guns I will happily take my business to their competitors if I can.

    The objection is a moral one and I'm not interested in the business owner's morals. Or yes, I may be. I no longer shop at Hobby Lobby. I do not patronize businesses where *I am aware of their moral views on an issue and I find it objectionable.* However they do not know any of my other views and I'm not interested in their opinions on my views or morals. And I keep my gun to myself just like I keep my opinions to myself when conducting business.

    Some businesses have insurance obligations that require they post no guns on their businesses and the business owner may not even support that viewpoint. And no harm is done to them as, again, it's concealed.

    Last, that business is not obligated to protect me in anyway should there be a crime committed there that threatens my life. Their security guards, if they have them, are to protect the store's property, etc. They have no intention of protecting me....that is always my responsibility and mine alone.

    I realize you may not agree but I hope you will consider my perspective.

    yeah, damn, since it's you I have to consider your perspective. I trust you and your common sense. So I'll trust that you are being sensible about this. Everyone else on this forum - I'm skeptical! (smile)

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Do we know if the toddler even got the gun out of the purse? He may have gotten a hand in there and on the trigger. My purse holsters are tight enough that my finger wont fit inside them to reach the trigger. But a teeny 2 yr old? Maybe

    An excellent female strategy is to not even complete the draw but to fire from inside the purse. However you have to practice the angles and with a semi-auto you are only likely to get one shot because the slide may foul.
    My impression from the story was the toddler reached in and somehow set off the trigger; I didn't think he pulled the gun. I could be wrong.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Excuse me? Pocket carry *can be stupid* without a holster. Purse carry is no different than anything else....the gun doesnt go off unless you pull the trigger. I'm no more responsible for someone stealing it and getting my gun than if they stole it from my car or home....I'm not responsible for the actions of criminals.
    This 2 year old isn't a criminal, he's a 2 year old, and yes parents are responsible for keeping dangerous items away from children. This includes kitchen knives, household chemicals, keep the child from putting anything in an electrical outlet, etc.

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