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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    And if you have been around toddlers, you KNOW it is their job to be nosey and get into stuff. If my gun was in my purse (CCW purse or not), that purse would be crossbody - not left for anyone to get into. Hell, if you really know toddlers, he probably knew something worth exploring was in the purse.

    Yes, I think a parent having a loaded weapon in a purse and a child being able to access it is CLEARLY irresponsible.

    I think she showed a lack of respect for the weapon.
    Your assumption is that the purse was "left for anyone to get into"...

    You have toddlers... let me ask you truthfully... have you EVER taken anything away from your toddler that was potentially dangerous? a toy, a coin, pulling on an electric cord?

    Yes or no...

    If you have taken something away from a toddler... I guess that would mean that you are irresponsible... because why should they have it in the first place?

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    I could Google anything, but most people don't go out of their way looking for new stories. So the national media taking up a story is a very powerful influence
    When I googled, it did not lead me to primarily local news sites.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Says the guy who thinks a gun without a bullet in the chamber is a paperweight.

    If it takes you so long to chamber a round that your gun is rendered useless, perhaps you are the one who needs to get some basic training with firearms.
    The first round is the most important.

    You understand nothing about handguns, training, and real world applications.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Look, this was a million-to-one incident. Make that millionS-to-one.


    Tragic **** happens sometimes. Something like forty times as many people die in traffic accidents as gun accidents, but people don't blame the private ownership of cars in most cases.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    CPS would then place the boys in a group home in Olympia with predatory older boys will rape them..... Happy ending to the story all around

    Oh wait that's off topic just thinking aloud
    Doesn't look like there was much thinking going on -aloud or otherwise.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I guarantee that if a parent allowed a toddler to be in control wheel and someone died, I would be equally as pissed off if a parent allowed their toddler to access a gun and someone died. YMMV
    That is better.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Look, this was a million-to-one incident. Make that millionS-to-one.


    Tragic **** happens sometimes. Something like forty times as many people die in traffic accidents as gun accidents, but people don't blame the private ownership of cars in most cases.
    Again, false equivalency. This was not a traffic "whoops. If you are going to carry a weapon, you need to respect the power. Leaving your loaded weapon in a place your two year old can get it is not a "whoops"

    Everyone I know that handles guns knows the rules and follows them to a T. Firearm safety should be second nature. If it is not, you should keep your weapon at home, locked up until you do. YMMV

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Again, false equivalency. This was not a traffic "whoops. If you are going to carry a weapon, you need to respect the power. Leaving your loaded weapon in a place your two year old can get it is not a "whoops"

    Everyone I know that handles guns knows the rules and follows them to a T. Firearm safety should be second nature. If it is not, you should keep your weapon at home, locked up until you do. YMMV

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    You're preaching to the choir; my son could recite the Three Rules from memory before he was nine. My extended family includes twenty people today, and in the past century none of us or our ancestors, have injured anyone accidentally with a firearm, and we all have lots of them. Many of us CCW, and have or had small children while doing so, and have had no incidents.


    Women have certain issues with CCW that men don't, one of which is that body shape and common modes of dress often do not support on-body carry very well. Thus, off-body carry (purses with special CCW compartments as I understand this case involved) have become popular.

    Personally I don't like off-body carry; even if the purse is kept close it isn't the same. Pragmatically well the special gun enclosure is supposed to minimize the risk of some kid randomly rummaging in your purse finding the gun.


    Child car seats are supposed to reduce child traffic deaths too. Mostly they do. Once in a while they don't.


    The traffic analogy is actually a perfect analogy: driving on the roads with kids is something we CHOOSE to do, which we KNOW carries a great deal of risk... far more than owning a firearm. We do it anyway, and when it goes wrong we don't usually blame Mommy for choosing to be a motorist.


    That the anti's can't see that is another indicator of their hypocrisy.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Doesn't look like there was much thinking going on -aloud or otherwise.
    nope, it was a criticism of CPS in WA state.

    but aside, CPS would not seize a child because of an accident involving a car. they don't seize children for accidents involving guns. unless the parents are black... oh ok well thinking aloud again.

    I can think of three local cases here where there were child gun accidents that involved fatalities and to the best of my knowledge CPS didn't remove the kids in any of them. I know of children abused by meth addicts that CPS does nothing about either.

    so bringing up CPS for the car analogy is flawed, we can look at gun accidents, CPS doesn't do anything there either.
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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You're preaching to the choir; my son could recite the Three Rules from memory before he was nine. My extended family includes twenty people today, and in the past century none of us or our ancestors, have injured anyone accidentally with a firearm, and we all have lots of them. Many of us CCW, and have or had small children while doing so, and have had no incidents.


    Women have certain issues with CCW that men don't, one of which is that body shape and common modes of dress often do not support on-body carry very well. Thus, off-body carry (purses with special CCW compartments as I understand this case involved) have become popular.

    Personally I don't like off-body carry; even if the purse is kept close it isn't the same. Pragmatically well the special gun enclosure is supposed to minimize the risk of some kid randomly rummaging in your purse finding the gun.


    Child car seats are supposed to reduce child traffic deaths too. Mostly they do. Once in a while they don't.


    The traffic analogy is actually a perfect analogy: driving on the roads with kids is something we CHOOSE to do, which we KNOW carries a great deal of risk... far more than owning a firearm. We do it anyway, and when it goes wrong we don't usually blame Mommy for choosing to be a motorist.


    That the anti's can't see that is another indicator of their hypocrisy.
    exactly, this poster is being a hardass purely because it involves a gun, then trying to frame comparisons in such a way that she can bash only gun owners.
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