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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I'm sorry but I don't see here death as inevitable. She bought the NRA kool-aid and is dead for it. I'm sure she actually believed that her gun could never hurt her only make her safer. That is what the NRA is selling..peace of mind. It doesn't include any of the "ugly" side of gun ownership and neither do gun dealers. Like that fact that your own gun is 10 times more likely to kill you or a loved one than a bad guy. If she had known the risks she would probably be alive today...a lot of people would. Guns are not for everyone, and selling them like appliances is criminal negligence.
    Of course you WOULD come in to dance in the blood of a dead woman to further your own ideological hatred. The fact that you know nothing about the woman or her belief system but have no problem assigning your own personal bias and hatred to her speaks volumes of you.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Really really sad. Say in an alternate universe, where this lady was more responsible..or perhaps didn't have the gun, she would be alive
    It's always someone else, until it isn't. :/
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Fruityfact View Post
    Really really sad. Say in an alternate universe, where this lady was more responsible..or perhaps didn't have the gun, she would be alive
    It's always someone else, until it isn't. :/
    Hopefully this story will cause every person that chooses to carry a firearm to assess and reassess their procedures and tighten up.

    We had a military spouse leave a weapon in her purse and her purse in her car while she ran in to the shoppette on post. Similar situation...toddler accidental discharge into the roof of the car. Could have been much more tragic.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    This is just a horribly tragic story and the reason it's so tragic is because it was so preventable.

    I'm the VP of the local chapter of an organization that provides professional education for those in my career field. Every month our board meets to discuss the topics that we'll be covering in our seminars and inevitably we have a lot of interest in new topics and exciting topics and flashy topics. Hey, those topics put asses in the seats and that's part of our job. But there is another part of our job and that's to make sure that those who are member of our organization or attend our events are performing at the highest professional standards they can and in order to achieve that standard we also need to constantly reinforce the basics.

    I'm a tax and accounting guy. I can run through your financial data faster than you can run a comb through your hair and can not only spot an anomaly from a mile away but can usually tell you why it's out of whack half an hour before I hit my billing minimum. That being said, I'm also human and when I get too used to doing the same thing the same way all the time that's when I get dangerous. I suspect that's what happened in Hayden and why some 2 year old no longer has a mommy.

    Folks, if you're going to carry a firearm then you need to pay attention to the basics. It's how you protect others and yourself from tragedy caused by complacency. I'd like to use this thread to clarify and discuss the basics of daily carry and I'd like to hear, primarily, from those who do carry every day. I'd also like those who don't carry to ask questions so that we can address your concerns.

    For starters, when you carry you need to be in control of your weapon. That means you don't hand it to someone else or leave it on the toilet tank. You don't just dump it into your purse or your pocket. You keep that weapon in such a manner that you KNOW it's safe, secure and under your immediate control. The specifics of how you do that are often dependent on exactly what kind of weapon you're carrying but one of the basics is your holster. USE ONE!!

    Simply stuffing a pistol in your waistband or purse might look cool in the movies but it's stupid. Even a decent level I holster will provide more security than your waistband. As a minimum it should be enough to cover the trigger guard so that nothing can get stuck in there accidentally. It should also be made for the firearm you're using it with so that everything fits and stays secure.

    One other thing, once your weapon is in its holster and under your control DON'T **** WITH IT! There is no need to play pocket pool with your pistol. The pistol doesn't care and isn't going to feel neglected. Leave it alone unless you absolutely need to use it. If you have to take it off for some reason (entering an area where firearms are prohibited, for example) then take it off pistol and holster together. This is a good reason for those who carry IWB to use clip on holsters.

    This is just one suggestion. Please feel free to add more.
    The gun was in her purse, not her pocket.

    This is just another reason why purse'carry is felony-stupid.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    I don't understand not having the safety on when a gun is in the purse.
    Not all handguns have a manual safety.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    This article has the most ridiculous quote I've ever read:

    "She was not the least bit irresponsible. She was taken much too soon."

    Leaving a loaded weapon in easy reach of a child isn't irresponsible? Wow. Is that what they would have said if the child shot one of his cousin's - that the mother wasn't being an absolute moron for letting the situation unfold?

    Darwin Award. Good thing it wasn't one of the kids. Apparently it was just waiting to happen.
    You don't qualify for a Darwin Award after you've reproduced unless your actions also take out your offspring.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You don't qualify for a Darwin Award after you've reproduced unless your actions also take out your offspring.
    Well - and it has to be self-inflicted and this is more by proxy.
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Terrible tragedy. I own 2 1911s and these guns have manual safeties on them but even then I dont chamber a round- Im not a cop so Im not expecting a quick draw and fire situation and I have trained myself doing the Isreali draw (which is racking the slide as you draw) so this means that the only possible way my son could accidentally fire this gun is that he needs to chamber a round before pulling the trigger, and he isnt strong enough to do that. Guns need to be treated carefully, especially when you have young children around-
    this tragedy could have easily been prevented.


    I totally agree and that's one of the saddest things about this tragedy-it didn't have to happen.

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    Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart


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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    This is why anyone who carries a gun has the complete responsibility to control the weapon at all times.

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