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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    My issue is with the repeated analogies from posters equating this issue with driving accidents.

    These analogies are false. The accidents in question are caused by an licensed driver. If cars are to be used as an analogy - then the analogy would be allowing a toddler to have access to the steering wheel. The false equivalencies are a problem.
    My point was that folks get all upset with a single gun incident, but ignore large deaths in other situations.

    The disparity is quite relevant, as anti-gun folks pounce all over one incident and cry and flail their arms to utilize the incident.

    My point was also that lack of due diligence in any situation can have disasterous results due to a number of reasons, which is also correct.
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I think we're done here.

    They don't have kids but are on a route to and from high school. Anyone can see in. People, I am told, sometimes break into homes when people are not there and steal ****. There is a name for it, it is called burglary.

    Kids, I have been told, can be irresponsible, as they do not see consequences.

    Thanks for playing...we are done here
    you think a burglar is too dumb to look for a spare key. hell nearly everyone keeps keys handing on a little hook board in the garage. tell me you know no one who does that! so reality, a safe is little security.....

    that's such a silly thing to terminate a friendship over, I guarantee you that's not the only couple in Washington State who keeps guns in the sock drawer or the couch or on the vanity.

    I can't even put a safe in my place, too little room. my gun when I'm gone is in a case hidden in the house. fortunately we've had no home break ins since 1999 in the little town in which I reside,,,
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    My point was that folks get all upset with a single gun incident, but ignore large deaths in other situations.

    The disparity is quite relevant, as anti-gun folks pounce all over one incident and cry and flail their arms to utilize the incident.

    My point was also that lack of due diligence in any situation can have disasterous results due to a number of reasons, which is also correct.
    A few injuries/deaths from lawn darts, and they were banned.

    Cars - which are useful for non-lethal purposes - require drivers' licenses, vision tests, insurance, and have safety features like safety belts and air bags, and are continually tested and rated for performance in crash situations. And manufacturers get sued if their cars have safety issues.

    Food is continually tested; if a death or illness from salmonella is discovered, the source is tracked down and large amounts of that food are removed from grocery stores.

    Just a couple examples, but how is that ignoring "large deaths in other situations"?

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Same thing. I dont always carry, partly because I know i wont be able to be as vigilant as I need to be. But how many men do you think have walked out of bathroom stalls and left their guns behind? LOL Plenty, just ask on the gun forums.

    it's matter of personal responsibility. When I shop carrying in my purse, it stays on my body.
    Im glad you are as vigilant. I wish more people were as well. We know of at least one who wasnt.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    If it's legal in the state, they really cant do more than try to enforce a trespass law if they catch someone. They cant make it illegal to carry a loaded gun in their store (I dont think so anyway).
    You may wish to reevaluate that. I think that if any business does not want firearms on their property, they have the right to that.

    That would be like someone bringing a gun in to your house and you say no, but they claim the Second Amendment.

    Now just walking down a public street (with a CC) or somewhere on a property that the gun owner owns is different.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    You may wish to reevaluate that. I think that if any business does not want firearms on their property, they have the right to that.

    That would be like someone bringing a gun in to your house and you say no, but they claim the Second Amendment.

    Now just walking down a public street (with a CC) or somewhere on a property that the gun owner owns is different.
    I dont believe I'm incorrect. I didnt say they didnt have the right. They have the right to ask you to leave. It's not illegal to carry a gun into someone else's home here either. And if they find out and ask you to leave, you have to or you are trespassing. But the gun is not illegal in their home. And it's the same for anything. If someone asks you to leave their home or store, you have to (unless it's discriminatory).

    It depends on state law but if it's not illegal in the state you cant just make your own laws on your property.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    A few injuries/deaths from lawn darts, and they were banned.

    Cars - which are useful for non-lethal purposes - require drivers' licenses, vision tests, insurance, and have safety features like safety belts and air bags, and are continually tested and rated for performance in crash situations. And manufacturers get sued if their cars have safety issues.

    Food is continually tested; if a death or illness from salmonella is discovered, the source is tracked down and large amounts of that food are removed from grocery stores.

    Just a couple examples, but how is that ignoring "large deaths in other situations"?
    lawn darts are a great example of regulatory overreach, I have several sets I bought at flea markets, play it all the time. no one gets hurt because my friends and I know how to play it. btw lawn darts were not "banned" they cannot be sold as "toys" that's a big difference. you can possess lawn darts, you can purchase them, you can make them as "weapons" and sell them as sch, you merely cannot sell them commercially as a toy.

    recalling food for salmonella is not even related, that's when the food maker screws up. if you get salmonella because you ate your meat raw no one is going to recall a thing. this is an example of the final user using a product in a manner inconsistent with its intended use. if the gun was defective they would be recalled as well.
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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I dont believe I'm incorrect. I didnt say they didnt have the right. They have the right to ask you to leave. It's not illegal to carry a gun into someone else's home here either. And if they find out and ask you to leave, you have to or you are trespassing. But the gun is not illegal in their home. And it's the same for anything. If someone asks you to leave their home or store, you have to (unless it's discriminatory).

    It depends on state law but if it's not illegal in the state you cant just make your own laws on your property.
    I'm not talking about the gun being illegal to have; I'm talking about as business owner or private owner's rights on who comes on to their property with a gun. If you give that owner of that property trouble about leaving, it (the gun) might as well be just as bad as being illegal.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I think we're done here.

    They don't have kids but are on a route to and from high school. Anyone can see in. People, I am told, sometimes break into homes when people are not there and steal ****. There is a name for it, it is called burglary.

    Kids, I have been told, can be irresponsible, as they do not see consequences.

    Thanks for playing...we are done here

    Apparently you cant be bothered to verbalize (or think it through) properly. If your kids break into my house, they know it's wrong. They are now committing a crime. I am not responsible for other people's crimes. They are alot more likely to steal my car...am I responsible for the crimes they commit with it or the people they hit and kill? (And I've had a truck stolen and used in robberies and funnily enough....I wasnt held responsible.)

    I dont think many people leave firearms out in view but I know many that leave them accessible in the home. I leave mine out on a bedside table shelf....not visible from outside the home or even easily inside. Gun owners dont want their property stolen any more than anyone else so I doubt many leave them out all over. Again...please avoid the conversation if you cant invest in it.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    I'm not talking about the gun being illegal to have; I'm talking about as business owner or private owner's rights on who comes on to their property with a gun. If you give that owner of that property trouble about leaving, it (the gun) might as well be just as bad as being illegal.
    And they do have the right to ask you to leave. But it's not illegal to carry it into the store. it's illegal not to leave when asked.

    (Again, this varies by state. Some states have specific ordinances that must be posted on the business that does make such carry illegal. But we were discussing it being illegal in states where it is legal to carry in general)
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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