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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    But it's the commitment and responsibility of NOT doing that with a purse containing a firearm. The same as other commitments to owning and carrying a gun.
    Its a wonderful idea. Now...how often do you know of women to have their purse on them at all times? In an office? At the store? I carry a firearm. Would you think it irresponsible of me to take it out of my holster and leave it in the cart while I am shopping? Of course you would...and should. Having a purse holster is a recipe for disaster.
    Having her weapon out of her eyesight is out of 'control' Having it in a cart with toddlers? Come on...we have the results.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Its a wonderful idea. Now...how often do you know of women to have their purse on them at all times? In an office? At the store? I carry a firearm. Would you think it irresponsible of me to take it out of my holster and leave it in the cart while I am shopping? Of course you would...and should. Having a purse holster is a recipe for disaster.
    Having her weapon out of her eyesight is out of 'control' Having it in a cart with toddlers? Come on...we have the results.
    but it's not the same, unless someone has xray vision they won't see a gun inside a purse.
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    I have left my toddler with access to the steering wheel.. and I bet you did too.. (if you had a toddler)... you ever put a toddler in a car seat. then went back to put packages into the car? All they have to do is get out of the car seat and now they are at the wheel. Every taken one kid out of the car seat and put them in a stroller while the other kid is still in the car? In a moment,.. they can be at the wheel.

    Some kids are like Houdini's getting out of a car seat. And you know what... you don't know until.... the moment you look up and they are standing on the seat.. and hopefully have not done anything dangerous... or you're not driving!.
    I never EVER let my toddler have access to the steering wheel EVER.

    And if you intentionally allowed your toddler access to the steering wheel and there was an accident, you should be criminally charged - especially of there was bodily harm. And I would think CPS would be on speed dial.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Except the assumption was that it was "unattended".. 1) whats unattended? If she has her her head turned and is an arms length away from the purse.. is that unattended?

    And you know what.. you could be carrying your pistol on your hip, and slip and fall and have it not retain... and now its on the floor for someone to pick up. Guess that would be your fault right? Irresponsible you? Please.

    Crap happens. Accidents do happen. You cannot prepare for every eventuality. It just that 2) people have a much higher standard with firearms than they do with just about anything else. Which is the irony.
    1) When even a two year old can grab your purse, extract and fire your gun.

    2) Just about anything else cannot blow a hole in your head from a distance when operated by a two year old.

    Trying to make this into something which was not easily preventable is not going to work.
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Its a wonderful idea. Now...how often do you know of women to have their purse on them at all times? In an office? At the store? I carry a firearm. Would you think it irresponsible of me to take it out of my holster and leave it in the cart while I am shopping? Of course you would...and should. Having a purse holster is a recipe for disaster.
    Having her weapon out of her eyesight is out of 'control' Having it in a cart with toddlers? Come on...we have the results.
    Same thing. I dont always carry, partly because I know i wont be able to be as vigilant as I need to be. But how many men do you think have walked out of bathroom stalls and left their guns behind? LOL Plenty, just ask on the gun forums.

    it's matter of personal responsibility. When I shop carrying in my purse, it stays on my body.
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    What was the danger? The stupidity?
    Seriously?

    You can't see a danger in leaving hand guns out for all to see in a vacant house?

    Let's start with some teen agers on their home from school........
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Right. We don't have all the facts.

    What has been presented is that the CCW purse was new to her. The most likely explanation is that her habits with her purse overrode her habits of daily carry. She probably never even thought about what she'd done until the kid had his or her hands on the pistol. I'm sure it was a lapse in judgement but I can sure see how it could happen.
    The purse may be new, but if she left it unattended , the newness of the purse means nothing.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Seriously?

    You can't see a danger in leaving hand guns out for all to see in a vacant house?

    Let's start with some teen agers on their home from school........
    Well it depends on the home. You didnt say they had kids.

    What's wrong with it if no one else is supposed to have access to the home? I dont mean piles of guns laying around, I'm referring to a more common scenario like a few where they can be reached in an emergency.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Well it depends on the home. You didnt say they had kids.

    What's wrong with it if no one else is supposed to have access to the home? I dont mean piles of guns laying around, I'm referring to a more common scenario like a few where they can be reached in an emergency.
    I think we're done here.

    They don't have kids but are on a route to and from high school. Anyone can see in. People, I am told, sometimes break into homes when people are not there and steal ****. There is a name for it, it is called burglary.

    Kids, I have been told, can be irresponsible, as they do not see consequences.

    Thanks for playing...we are done here
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Well it depends on the home. You didnt say they had kids.

    What's wrong with it if no one else is supposed to have access to the home? I dont mean piles of guns laying around, I'm referring to a more common scenario like a few where they can be reached in an emergency.
    that really means nothing, when I was a teen I knew exactly where the gun safe keys were, and I was allowed the combination to another safe when I was older, like 16.

    when I was 17 and home alone or parents were gone and I was watching my brothers I would load my fathers pistol and keep it next to my bed....

    ironically, knowing what I know now, I would probably never allow kids of mine to do that, but on the other hand, lets not pretend teenagers are dumb and can't find where you hide keys or the instruction manual to your safe with the combo on it.
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