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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    There were 35,000 automotive deaths last year, with 93% being attributed to driver error.

    There is no great push for driver education in the US in spite of this.

    There are alternative costs with every right or freedom that we have, and everything that we do.

    Some folks educate themselves about risks, some do not, some do not care, and some just get lazy.
    This was not about an adult having a preventable accident. It was about an adult who left a loaded weapon where a toddler could get it.

    DO you need to have a big push in drivers ed to tell you NOT to allow your toddler to be in reach of the steering wheel?

    Most gun owners are very responsible. This gun owner was not. Why is that so difficult to understand. If she had not been killed and the toddler shot an innocent bystander...she would be facing criminal and civil charges.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    This was not about an adult having a preventable accident. It was about an adult who left a loaded weapon where a toddler could get it.

    DO you need to have a big push in drivers ed to tell you NOT to allow your toddler to be in reach of the steering wheel?

    Most gun owners are very responsible. This gun owner was not. Why is that so difficult to understand. If she had not been killed and the toddler shot an innocent bystander...she would be facing criminal and civil charges.
    I would call this a preventable accident on the part of an adult, it's not the kids fault, he didn't know any better.

    A few years ago an airline pilot let his kid take the yoke and tragedy resulted, killed many more people then just his dad.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    This was not about an adult having a preventable accident. It was about an adult who left a loaded weapon where a toddler could get it.

    DO you need to have a big push in drivers ed to tell you NOT to allow your toddler to be in reach of the steering wheel?

    Most gun owners are very responsible. This gun owner was not. Why is that so difficult to understand. If she had not been killed and the toddler shot an innocent bystander...she would be facing criminal and civil charges.
    It was preventable.

    It is completely clear to me.

    Your response shows a distinct lack of understanding of the discussion here.
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Oh right because men can't put guns into backpacks or anything Please take your sexism somewhere else.

    If you're going to carry a gun then it should remain within your 'intimate space' (from your skin and out to about an inch), not your 'personal space' (approximately your arm-span around your body), or 'social space' (from the end of your arm's reach out to about 6ft, the approximate distance you would typically stand from someone when having a normal conversation). Purse holsters encourage the owner to leave the gun unattended.
    Ridiculous statement, poorly worded.

    Having a gun in your car 'encourages the owner to leave the gun unattended.'

    There are different methods of control with purses, different draws, different issues. But in the long run it is about level of responsibility which must always be high regarding firearms.
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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I'm not around any kids.

    But I didnt realize that she had 3 other kids with her....not all toddlers so she really did need to have control over her purse at all times.
    And hell...they were at Wal-Mart. Lots of folks around to peruse her unattended purse.

    I am at a loss for the folks dismissing this case as a simple accident.I have to wonder if they have ever been around toddlers.

    I would think most gun owners would scream at the top of their lungs "we are NOT like that" "don't lump us in with people who as irresponsible as she was"

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Ridiculous statement, poorly worded.

    Having a gun in your car 'encourages the owner to leave the gun unattended.'

    There are different methods of control with purses, different draws, different issues. But in the long run it is about level of responsibility which must always be high regarding firearms.
    Perhaps poorly worded but correct sentiment. How many people do you know with a purse that never set the purse down? A holster does not present the same problems.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I would think most gun owners would scream at the top of their lungs "we are NOT like that" "don't lump us in with people who as irresponsible as she was"
    Most of us ARE saying that. I think if there wasnt the usual suspects jumping to make an incident like this (or Sandy Hook) a springboard into promoting their cause, we could focus on the whole 'responsible gun owner' thing and there might be some very valuable lessons learned from all of this.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    There are plenty of charges that could cover this type of instance, reckless endangerment, endangering the welfare of a minor, neglect. Prosecutors however do not want to pursue such charges generally speaking, partially because of the belief, correct belief I might add, that there is very little the criminal justice system can do to make a more severe sanctions in the accident itself. In some cases prosecutors may also believe that juries will be unlikely to convect. A couple years ago in Marysville Washington, A police officer left his gun in his car with his son and daughter also in the car, The sun got a hold of the gun and shot the daughter by accident, I think he was four years old, The Snohomish County prosecutor brought the officer up on multiple charges and took it to trial, and the jury was about evenly split it was a hung jury.
    Actually, initially no charges were brought...even as that same week, a couple over in Yakima left a loaded gun under the seat and their 3 yr old killed himself with it. THey were charged immediately.

    The public demanded that charges be brought...I emailed the prosecutor/Sno Co. myself and others put pressure on them to prosecute. The other couple was found guilty. The cop had a hung jury. I think he still is a cop too.
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    So do 2 year old kids driving cars.

    What's your point, other than to just bitch about it?

    There is no 'we' here, as we are talking about the US, where you are not.


    Where I live doesn't change the fact that I'm a U.S citizen with the same rights that other U.S. Citizens have, including the right to vote.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    And hell...they were at Wal-Mart. Lots of folks around to peruse her unattended purse.

    I am at a loss for the folks dismissing this case as a simple accident.I have to wonder if they have ever been around toddlers.

    I would think most gun owners would scream at the top of their lungs "we are NOT like that" "don't lump us in with people who as irresponsible as she was"
    we don't know everything here. was she an irresponsible woman who got her just deserts or a one time lapse in judgement that turned deadly?

    no matter what moralistic proclamations you make here on the internet, I guarantee you've cut corners at some point, either a safety rule at work, or jumping down two steps of the stairs and not walking down one at a time. etc etc etc text while driving.

    my grandfather was a hardass on rules all his life, after he retired and bought an RV he and grandma were going to see the country, while working on it he cut some corners, fell off hurt himself bad enough to need surgery, died from complications resulting from the surgery, for using a ladder that was 2 feet too short. your life is nothing but a ball in a roulette wheel, it's gotta stop somewhere, and one day it will and that will be it.
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