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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Except that's simply not a reality. if its accessible to her.. its accessible to others. Its the nature of the beast in concealed carry. If you can get to it.. so can others.

    Its unreasonable to hold a person responsible for seeing and preventing EVERY eventuality. Period.
    Leaving a loaded gun in a purse with a toddler in a shopping cart unattended is not an unforeseeable eventuality. It was careless.

    I have several carry holsters. Yes...someone could wrestle with me and attempt to take control of my weapon. Thats not at all the same thing as if I set my weapon in the holster on a desk and walked away.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    As a matter of fact it appears that this lady was violating Idaho law. She was carrying a loaded concealed weapon.

    Learn more here: In Idaho gun tragedy, does it matter that mother took precautions? - CSMonitor.com

    Nothing that this lady did stopped this from happening.
    Lets look at the Idaho law in question

    18-3302 (7)
    (7) Except in the person's place of abode or fixed place of business, or on property in which the person has any ownership or leasehold interest, a person shall not carry a concealed weapon without a license to carry a concealed weapon. For the purposes of this section, a concealed weapon means any dirk, dirk knife, bowie knife, dagger, pistol, revolver or any other deadly or dangerous weapon.
    From your linked article

    Rutledge, who lived in Blackfoot, was a high school valedictorian who had gone on to become a chemist at Idaho National Lab. At the same time, she and her husband had extensive shooting experience, and were both licensed and trained to carry concealed weapons.
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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    That depends upon the caliber and strength of the recoil spring.

    A toddler would be more capable of flipping off a safety as opposed to chambering a round.

    My son could rack the slide on a 5" .45 1911 when he was 8 years old, and a 9mm XD when he was 5.

    Lack of access is the only safe way with kids and guns.

    I would politely suggest a manner other than off-body (purse) carry.

    Please be very careful.
    I'm not around any kids.

    But I didnt realize that she had 3 other kids with her....not all toddlers so she really did need to have control over her purse at all times.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    She was not violating the state laws - the article is wrong.

    Carrying an unloaded concealed weapon is stupid and pointless.


    Gun & Weapon Laws - Idaho.gov


    Guns don't kill people-2 year old boys with guns kill people,eh?

    Now we just need to pass a law making it illegal for 2 year old children to handle guns.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    How did you get that from this?



    Jump to conclusions much?
    Yes. Otherwise what's the difference between them snatching my purse with a gun in it as opposed to not having one in it?

    However if I was wrong, I apologize.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Will any of that bring her back to life?

    I didn't think that it would.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Or run a red light. I drive truck for a living, you'd be amazed just how many people you can see texting while driving when you can look down at them
    And I am in much more danger from them every day than I am from a person legally carrying a gun. And I think about it and attempt to factor it into my driving. *That* scares me.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Read it again!!

    They are referring to carrying the gun in a vehicle.

    If it is in plain view, you are OK - if it is concealed in the vehicle it must be broken down.

    The only restriction for CCW is that you cannot be under the influence of alcohol.
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Guns don't kill people-2 year old boys with guns kill people,eh?

    Now we just need to pass a law making it illegal for 2 year old children to handle guns.
    So do 2 year old kids driving cars.

    What's your point, other than to just bitch about it?

    There is no 'we' here, as we are talking about the US, where you are not.
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    "should not" is a nice thought, but not that long ago a gun was dropped in a movie theater and went off.
    Another reason to never own a glock.

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