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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    The whole point of this thread was to reinforce the idea that firearm safety is a 24/7 deal. I'm pretty sure that I covered that in the OP and again in various other posts. We have a choice in situations such as this. We can run around waving our hands in the air and screaming "The Horror! The Horror!" or we can discuss basic safety.

    I have no desire to use this tragic incident to disparage decent people who might occasionally make a mistake. They're human and humans sometimes make mistakes.
    Good point. That lady was a rocket scientist and she was an experienced shooter. But she let her guard down for one instant and paid for it with her life and her son will have to live with that for the rest of his life. Really sad.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Well I would never carry a gun without a transfer bar or fire pin block safety, my revolvers are all modern double action, I carry all chambers loaded, I have no qualms about doing so.

    I know the cowboy action guns should be carried that way, although ruger now makes the vaquero with a transfer bar safety that is safe to carry all six
    LOL carrying the Vaqueros would be like carrying bricks, they are all stainless. I own 2 but I dont carry them for protection.

    Sorry, just a comment, it struck me funny.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    There is more than one solution here.
    Sure, but trigger locks aren't one.

    Another solution is to keep your purse on you if that's where your gun is.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    The whole point of this thread was to reinforce the idea that firearm safety is a 24/7 deal. I'm pretty sure that I covered that in the OP and again in various other posts. We have a choice in situations such as this. We can run around waving our hands in the air and screaming "The Horror! The Horror!" or we can discuss basic safety.

    I have no desire to use this tragic incident to disparage decent people who might occasionally make a mistake. They're human and humans sometimes make mistakes.
    I have made it abundantly clear that the takeaway from this tragedy should be firearm safety - learning from her mistakes.

    But realistically, if the toddler had shot a clerk rather than the firearm owner, the firearm owner would be facing some criminal charges and likely civil penalties as well. She didn't have simple error in judgment, she totally disregarded the rules of CCP and her obligations as a mother.

    I believe we do a great disservice the predominantly responsible firearm owners to see her errors as being less than they are.

    I think the over-reaction to this issue (from anti-gun folks) be because her error was not seen as bad as it was. It was bad as a CCP holder it was bad as a parent.

    Unfortunately she will never be able to learn from her own mistakes - but others can.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Sure, but trigger locks aren't one.

    Another solution is to keep your purse on you if that's where your gun is.
    You do not need a trigger lock to keep your gun inaccessible to your children. You need respect for your duty/responsibility as a gun owner.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    LOL carrying the Vaqueros would be like carrying bricks, they are all stainless. I own 2 but I dont carry them for protection.

    Sorry, just a comment, it struck me funny.
    Well some friends of mine do Halloween parties, so next year I'm thinking about being paladin from have gun, will travelso I'm thinking about getting a vaquero to carry for that... Then my carry can be part of the costume
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I'm sorry but I don't see here death as inevitable. She bought the NRA kool-aid and is dead for it. I'm sure she actually believed that her gun could never hurt her only make her safer. That is what the NRA is selling..peace of mind. It doesn't include any of the "ugly" side of gun ownership and neither do gun dealers. Like that fact that your own gun is 10 times more likely to kill you or a loved one than a bad guy. If she had known the risks she would probably be alive today...a lot of people would. Guns are not for everyone, and selling them like appliances is criminal negligence.
    I had zero contact with the NRA until after I was involved in guns and shooting. It sold me nothing.

    There are ugly sides to many things. And parents kill/injure their own kids in their own cars more than with their firearms. Cars, pools, dogs, bicycles....lots of things have ugly sides. And it's our own responsibilities to make them as safe as possible.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Well some friends of mine do Halloween parties, so next year I'm thinking about being paladin from have gun, will travelso I'm thinking about getting a vaquero to carry for that... Then my carry can be part of the costume
    Good luck. The leather costs a fortune. Unless you have, I hope you can borrow something fancy. And hope the homeowner/guests think they're fake otherwise...ack...Seattle....you will have alot of discussion, to say the least! And dont hand them to anyone....that's illegal now!
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I have made it abundantly clear that the takeaway from this tragedy should be firearm safety - learning from her mistakes.

    But realistically, if the toddler had shot a clerk rather than the firearm owner, the firearm owner would be facing some criminal charges and likely civil penalties as well. She didn't have simple error in judgment, she totally disregarded the rules of CCP and her obligations as a mother.

    I believe we do a great disservice the predominantly responsible firearm owners to see her errors as being less than they are.

    I think the over-reaction to this issue (from anti-gun folks) be because her error was not seen as bad as it was. It was bad as a CCP holder it was bad as a parent.

    Unfortunately she will never be able to learn from her own mistakes - but others can.
    So it would have been better had the child killed someone else so she could have learned from her mistake? Seriously? What you consider unfortunate, I do not in that regard.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Then you leave the comment out. You dont print irresponsible comments just to make people feel better. THen no one learns and others may suffer.

    Deaths are not in vain if people can learn lessons from them.
    I did not print that comment the newspaper did.

    I think it would be unfair to call her irresponsible in general everyone makes mistakes and hers turned out to be fatal. I mean less you're that one perfect person is never done anything wrong, then comment away. The problem is many people here are not calling the act irresponsible, they're calling someone who can't come and defend herself irresponsible
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