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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Well they're not a good idea from your viewpoint as a man.
    Oh right because men can't put guns into backpacks or anything Please take your sexism somewhere else.

    If you're going to carry a gun then it should remain within your 'intimate space' (from your skin and out to about an inch), not your 'personal space' (approximately your arm-span around your body), or 'social space' (from the end of your arm's reach out to about 6ft, the approximate distance you would typically stand from someone when having a normal conversation). Purse holsters encourage the owner to leave the gun unattended.
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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Not just moms, not just regular people. Had a cop here do something similar. Left loaded gun in glove box, a 7 yr old and his sister in the van, and went into store. 7 yr old gets dad's gun and accidentally kills sister.

    Stupid and careless is stupid and careless...crosses all boundaries.
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    I myself am not even totally guilt free, I have been careless at times looking back but never anything like this.
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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    They make ballistic nylon handgun fanny packs that can be carried on a strong belt and have painfully strong attachments and shoulder straps that could be used for over-the-shoulder carry.

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    I have several different ones, all designed for carry, but fanny packs scream "gun!" Plus I believe that fanny packs should be carried over the fanny...out of reach altho they work on the side too. I can have my hand on my gun, in my purse, walking thru a parking lot, and no one is the wiser. I just look like I'm getting my keys.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

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    The preliminary investigation shows the shooting was an accident, Miller said.
    How can we be sure?

    Some toddlers are just...bad.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Self defense classes do not teach that, at least that I know of. You are taught to carry the gun as it was designed, with a round in the chamber.

    However if you have kids or other extenuating circumstances, I can see taking the precaution of not chambering. To me, yes, they seem somewhat like 'a rock' that way but that's an exaggeration IMO. I think the same about trigger locks, etc but people with kids have to take alot of extra care with their guns. The guns are still useful, just less immediately so. You have to balance your life and circumstances to see which risks are higher...immediacy or kid access.
    The way I see it, if youre gonna carry a round in the chamber of a semi-auto and it doesnt have a manual safety then make sure you have it in a holster that covers the trigger guard, otherwise you will be asking for trouble. Even the Glock factory highly recommends this. Do not ever Mexican carry a chambered semi auto- real life isnt Hollywood.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Oh right because men can't put guns into backpacks or anything Please take your sexism somewhere else.
    Not sexism, reality. Go look at the women's clothing aisle at the store, not many option there ideal for hiding firearms. And carrying in a bag is more comfortable. I use a fanny pack holster when running or bicycling, more more comfortable them anything you put on your belt.

    The other thing is, I was teaching a woman to shoot, and the belt loops on her jeans weren't wide enough to allow a pistol belt to be inserted, women's trousers evidentially have thinner belt loops
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    In Heller, the Supreme Court already ruled that being forced to keep the gun in an unready state defeats practical use of the gun and thus violates the 2nd Amendment.

    Try again.
    Wasn't talking about forcing them. I was saying a parent may want to have trigger locks on their guns so their kids don't shoot themselves or someone else accidentally. Apologize if that wasn't clear.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Or run a red light. I drive truck for a living, you'd be amazed just how many people you can see texting while driving when you can look down at them
    False equivalency. If you would like to make a more appropriate comparison - would you ever let your toddler have access to the steering wheel ?

    She broke a crucial rule for someone with a CCW.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    We're not talking about every time here. This thread is about this one, specific, case. And in this case it looks like the mother who left her unsecured gun in her purse in a shopping basket with a 2-year old child is responsible for her own death.

    Who else would you like to blame?


    This was not an accident. The lady in this story is dead because she failed to secure her gun.
    Actually according to the report.. her gun was secured in her purse in a purse specially designed for concealed carry. I am familiar with these type of purses.. they have a hidden pocket, that is dedicated for the gun.. its not like it was in the main bag, or main compartment with her other belongings.. that she was going in and out of. Which by the way... is probably the MAIN way that women carry concealed.. in a main pocket in a purse.. not in a dedicated concealed carry bag. This lady was likely much more secured in her carry than the vast majority of females that carry.

    By all accounts this WAS an accident. I don't find a need to blame anyone... things happen. That's it.

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