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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Good writeup. She was experienced with guns; she wasn't dumb; the gun was in a compartment specifically for concealed weapons, so for those who think she should have had it in a holster - obviously the expectation was that women would carry guns in their purses.

    I'm in favor of more gun control laws and more gun safety measures, as many of you know. But about the only thing though that could have helped in this case was trigger locks, I'm thinking. Or one of those id things that only lets the owner shoot it. Those would have probably stopped this. Or if WalMart banned people bringing guns in.

    As LutherF says "It's simply a stark reminder of why you need to keep your head in the game the whole time you're playing.".

    That's true for guns, for cars, and for other potentially deadly activities.

    People with kids may want to rethink and recheck their gun security. Or not own guns; that's the best way to avoid a gun accident. Trigger locks may be a good idea when kids are around (if they work - I freely admit I don't keep up with the latest technology).

    In the meantime, my condolences to the family. Yes, this accident was avoidable - but aren't most accidents avoidable? that's why they are accidents.
    Trigger locks and biometric safeties are EXACTLY the kind of thing that make people believe they are more safe and, as such, no longer need to exercise common sense.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    "If I thought I needed a gun...I wouldnt go there!"

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    There are purses with built in holsters. Regardless of how it was secured in her purse, part of being a responsible gun owner is positive control of your weapon at all times. The purse (with a gun in it) should not have been accessible to the child. Period.
    I would be more than happy to throw anti-gun a bone here and we legally ban purse holsters. They never were a good idea.
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    With all due respect, you drive your car every day and, as a general rule, you never have any problems but one moment in one day you turn your attention to something else and smack into a person who ran a red light. How irresponsible are you?
    Or run a red light. I drive truck for a living, you'd be amazed just how many people you can see texting while driving when you can look down at them
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    She wasn't a responsible gun owner, and now she's dead as a result. IMO that's the end of the story, nothing else to see or do about it.
    I wholeheartedly agree.

    Except that perhaps others can learn from her mistakes.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I would be more than happy to through anti-gun a bone here and we legally ban purse holsters. They never were a good idea.
    Well they're not a good idea from your viewpoint as a man. As a man I can throw on a full size pistol then put a sweater that's two sizes too big over that no one cares. Women have much different fashions that make hiding guns harder.
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Then you would agree that those people who are not willing or don't have the time or responsibility to "train and practice" etc. should not own a gun and should be told so. The idea that a gun = protection is what I object to. It is a double edged sword. There are at least as many reasons NOT to own a gun as there are to own one.
    Actually if organizations like the NRA, which actively work to encourage responsible gun ownership and to provide sound training opportunities, weren't vilified we'd be heading in the right direction. That is where the key lies.

    Yes, I am more comfortable shooting next to a properly trained kid under 16 at the gun range than I am being in public with a gang banger with a pistol shoved in his pants. In fact, I have been seeing more and more kids shooting with the parents, often with their moms, at the range than I have ever seen. That's a great thing. I love the sport. I believe if we had more of that then we'd have a lot less of the other. It seems anymore that if you own more than 3 or 4 guns and have more than 500 assorted rounds of ammunition you are gun nut who has "a weapons and ammo cache".

    In general terms society at large does NOT encourage anyone to learn about guns and to become competent in their use. Society remains at best quiet or tacitly disapproves. Meanwhile the street encourages the illegal possession and use of guns. It's all backasswards.

    As to guns = protection: When severe bodily harm is imminent and seconds matter and escape is not an option you'd prefer not to have a gun? Of course you'd prefer to have a gun. I'm certain you'd also prefer, especially at that moment, to have confidence in your gun, your ammunition and your training. Here is the reality of it - we don't get to pick the scenario or the timing. It happens when it happens. You can be prepared or you can wish you had prepared.

    With the proper societal attitude maybe the lady in the OP would have had better training and more respect for the gun she was carrying.










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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    This is a very sad and unfortunate situation. I am all for 2nd Amendment rights, but more so for all the responsibilities that come with those rights, not to mention a common sense approach when it comes to carrying a deadly weapon.
    Kids and guns....hello. Most people can't control their kids in the best of circumstances, so what makes them think that a loaded weapon should be anywhere near them?
    I also don't understand what world we live in that makes us want to carry a weapon at all times, willing to shoot at anyone we perceive as threatening. I don't even know whom to fear more, a potential perpetrator or some gun lover with a nervous trigger finger. We can imagine being a hero, but are we?
    Who imagines being a hero? My firearm is to protect ME. Only. And I have no desire in drawing it at perceived threats.

    However you must be living on another planet if you think you are safe in the US...in your home or out. The news shows a very different picture. You dont necessarily need a gun to protect yourself but certainly those that choose that have the right to do so and not be crippled by your biases.

    Please feel free to post some news items where legally carrying people shot and killed innocent bystanders defending themselves or others. I'm not aware of a single instance.

    So....unless you can provide proof....some news links...your biases are unfounded.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    With all due respect, you drive your car every day and, as a general rule, you never have any problems but one moment in one day you turn your attention to something else and smack into a person who ran a red light. How irresponsible are you?
    Make your analogy more appropriate to the situation.

    Would you EVER leave your toddler at or near the steering wheel?

    If you say yes, I would say you didn't just make a mistake, you showed absolute disregard for the safety of others.

    I have to wonder, if the toddler shot an innocent bystander - it is clear the toddler would not be charged - what charges would the mother face?

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    IMO horrible accident, horrible mom

    Not just moms, not just regular people. Had a cop here do something similar. Left loaded gun in glove box, a 7 yr old and his sister in the van, and went into store. 7 yr old gets dad's gun and accidentally kills sister.

    Stupid and careless is stupid and careless...crosses all boundaries.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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