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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What? I don't think you understand what the "chamber" of a gun is. Not having a round in the chamber doesn't mean you don't have any bullets.
    Not my point at all.

    You obviously are clueless about handguns, readiness, and common sense.
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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I guess that would depend on where in your purse you keep it and the age of the toddler in your basket.


    I kid


    but yeah, If I am carrying it's condition 1.
    LOL. Ive trained myself with the Isreali draw so I can chamber it and draw at the same time. Nevertheless I actually prefer an extra second to chamber the round so I have time to truly decide whether to fire or not since Im no cop and may be liable for making a wrong split second decision. Anyway if someone was to threaten me I wouldnt be fast drawing like a Western gunslinger, I would get into cover first.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Golly SMTA, think what might have happened if there were a purse snatcher in the store, holy jeez.
    First, you dont let that happen, you control the purse at all times, you dont leave it in a cart. And second if they take your purse, you run in the opposite direction as fast as you can.

    I do not accept any responsibility at all if someone commits a crime (steals my property) and takes my gun from home, car, or person. I'm not responsible for any other crimes they commit, why should I be responsible for that?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You make choices when you purchase a firearm and you can choose one with a safety. I did for a couple of reasons, one of which is I do purse carry.

    I thought that I'd read that most toddlers couldnt chamber a round tho....just not keeping one chambered would have saved her (if it was a semi-auto).
    That depends upon the caliber and strength of the recoil spring.

    A toddler would be more capable of flipping off a safety as opposed to chambering a round.

    My son could rack the slide on a 5" .45 1911 when he was 8 years old, and a 9mm XD when he was 5.

    Lack of access is the only safe way with kids and guns.

    I would politely suggest a manner other than off-body (purse) carry.

    Please be very careful.
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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Well, it was basically not following firearm safety rules,

    I was taught not to have a round in the chamber in semi auto pistols and rifles, or on any pistol or rifle for that matter, and to leave one cylinder empty on a revolver where the hammer is in the rest position to prevent accidental discharge,

    might be a good reason for people who want to own a firearm to attend classes to learn more than they think they might know.
    Self defense classes do not teach that, at least that I know of. You are taught to carry the gun as it was designed, with a round in the chamber.

    However if you have kids or other extenuating circumstances, I can see taking the precaution of not chambering. To me, yes, they seem somewhat like 'a rock' that way but that's an exaggeration IMO. I think the same about trigger locks, etc but people with kids have to take alot of extra care with their guns. The guns are still useful, just less immediately so. You have to balance your life and circumstances to see which risks are higher...immediacy or kid access.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Of course she was irresponsible. She had a loaded weapon in her purse and left her purse where her son could get to it.

    In what way shape or form was she a responsible gun owner?

    Was it tragic for her and all involved, hell yes.

    But if we act like she was not irresponsible - it is open season on all gun owners.

    The fact that she was irresponsible with her gun around her children is just FITH.
    With all due respect, you drive your car every day and, as a general rule, you never have any problems but one moment in one day you turn your attention to something else and smack into a person who ran a red light. How irresponsible are you?

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    First, you dont let that happen, you control the purse at all times, you dont leave it in a cart. And second if they take your purse, you run in the opposite direction as fast as you can.

    I do not accept any responsibility at all if someone commits a crime (steals my property) and takes my gun from home, car, or person. I'm not responsible for any other crimes they commit, why should I be responsible for that?
    How did you get that from this?
    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Golly SMTA, think what might have happened if there were a purse snatcher in the store, holy jeez.

    Jump to conclusions much?

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Where does it say that you must not keep a gun in your purse when you have small children around?
    You're never allowed to make your firearm accessible to any 'prohibited person', which includes minor children. There are exceptions for training, sport and hunting, non of which occurred here.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I think she thought she was being responsible and protecting her family. That is the problem. How many others are doing the same thing? She took a class to get her CC permit. Did they tell her how dangerous a gun can be or just how to shoot it? I suspect that they don't want to scare off customers.
    I suspect you've never actually taken a CCW class, then. What you're describing is exactly what the class is filled with. But a class can't force you to at all times be mindful 24/7. The class can't alter behavior.

    The class is worth the fee, it would be worth your time even if you never desire to carry a gun.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    No location can be considered safe these days if one is unprepared - there are criminals and fools everywhere.

    Being prepared 100% of the time is intelligent - being a blind fool will get you killed every time.

    I am always prepared and safe.
    "If I thought I needed a gun...I wouldnt go there!"

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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    First, you dont let that happen, you control the purse at all times, you dont leave it in a cart. And second if they take your purse, you run in the opposite direction as fast as you can.

    I do not accept any responsibility at all if someone commits a crime (steals my property) and takes my gun from home, car, or person. I'm not responsible for any other crimes they commit, why should I be responsible for that?
    They make ballistic nylon handgun fanny packs that can be carried on a strong belt and have painfully strong attachments and shoulder straps that could be used for over-the-shoulder carry.

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