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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Every pistole I own has a manual safety.

    Condition 1 carry is far more safe than crappy glock type trigger safeties.
    I have two 1911s as my handguns and they have safeties. Nevertheless, I always have them at Condition 3 for an extra layer of safe.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Then you would agree that those people who are not willing or don't have the time or responsibility to "train and practice" etc. should not own a gun and should be told so. The idea that a gun = protection is what I object to. It is a double edged sword. There are at least as many reasons NOT to own a gun as there are to own one.
    This woman had taken a class, which also required range time, so your point is moot.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    When you buy a new or used gun from a gun store in Florida, they give you a yellow pamphlet outlining the rules as far as minors and guns.
    Yet, these things can and do happen.


    They happen because some people never bother to read and follow the instructions in those pamphlets because they don't have time for that BS.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    I have two 1911s as my handguns and they have safeties. Nevertheless, I always have them at Condition 3 for an extra layer of safe.

    I guess that would depend on where in your purse you keep it and the age of the toddler in your basket.


    I kid


    but yeah, If I am carrying it's condition 1.
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    In what way shape or form was she a responsible gun owner?
    She wasn't a responsible gun owner, and now she's dead as a result. IMO that's the end of the story, nothing else to see or do about it.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    This woman had taken a class, which also required range time, so your point is moot.




    It appears to me that she didn't learn what she really needed to know from that class.

    If we had a time machine we could run her through that class again.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    It appears to me that she didn't learn what she really needed to know from that class.
    These classes can't teach mindfulness. I've never seen data demonstrating that CCW training has prevented negligence or deaths. I would love a good link if you have one handy.

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    If we had a time machine we could run her through that class again.
    If she took the class 10 times it wouldn't make a difference. Mindfulness is a habit. You can't learn a habit in a class.

    Now of course if we just instituted mandatory conscription into the military upon turning 18, then this sort of incident would be rare indeed.
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    She wasn't a responsible gun owner, and now she's dead as a result. IMO that's the end of the story, nothing else to see or do about it.
    Where does it say that you must not keep a gun in your purse when you have small children around? I think she thought she was being responsible and protecting her family. That is the problem. How many others are doing the same thing? She took a class to get her CC permit. Did they tell her how dangerous a gun can be or just how to shoot it? I suspect that they don't want to scare off customers.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I was going to make that point point but, I wasn't sure about the later generation Glocks. [My Wife bought hers many years ago]

    Our
    You make choices when you purchase a firearm and you can choose one with a safety. I did for a couple of reasons, one of which is I do purse carry.

    I thought that I'd read that most toddlers couldnt chamber a round tho....just not keeping one chambered would have saved her (if it was a semi-auto).
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Sure.. she could have decided to put a lock on the purse, and then.. when she was mugged in the parking lot.. she is raped and killed in front of her 2 year old because she could get the gun out in time.

    Pointing out.. there are tradeoffs in carrying a weapon for self defense. It has to be accessible, it has to be able to be fired without tremendous effort.. like fumbling with a difficult safety, or racking a round into the chamber. Sometimes fractions of seconds count... and it has to be secure from being taken from you by someone else either a perp or a toddler.

    If everytime something happened with a child.. it was automatically the parents fault for being irresponsible... every parent would be considered irresponsible.

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    There are purses with built in holsters. Regardless of how it was secured in her purse, part of being a responsible gun owner is positive control of your weapon at all times. The purse (with a gun in it) should not have been accessible to the child. Period.

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