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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Not having a round in the chamber of a carry gun relegates it's status to rock or paperweight.
    What? I don't think you understand what the "chamber" of a gun is. Not having a round in the chamber doesn't mean you don't have any bullets.
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    We don't know the lady's personal circumstances. There could be very valid reasons why she felt the need to carry. It could be - and it sadly is in so many cases - that people, and I think ladies in particular, don't purchase a gun and learn to use it until after a real or perceived threat has occurred. That in IMHO is the wrong time or the worst time to suddenly buy and carry a gun. It's rushed and the need to have the gun obscures the need to become competent in owning and carrying it.

    Responsible adults take the time to learn and practice and train and practice and think about what they are doing and why they are doing it. Owning a gun is a never ending learning process or it should be. Owning and carrying is not the end of the what if questions. In fact it should usher in a thousand more what ifs.
    Then you would agree that those people who are not willing or don't have the time or responsibility to "train and practice" etc. should not own a gun and should be told so. The idea that a gun = protection is what I object to. It is a double edged sword. There are at least as many reasons NOT to own a gun as there are to own one.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
    This is not an accident. It is a result of idiocy. The idiocy is the act of carrying a gun about in a supermarket. The discharge of the weapon is an accident waiting to happen.

    Americans need to understand that this should be regarded as an unlawful killing. The responsibility was the stupid mothers so no action is required but it could have been anybody at the store that caught the bullet.

    If you have a gun then that gun is the one which is more likely to kill you than all the rest of them out there.
    I read somewhere that Walmart's policy on CC is to follow whatever the law is of that particular state that the store resides. However, the management prefers the gun remain concealed. If it becomes visible, Walmart can respectfully ask that the weapon be concealed immediately; if the person does not respond to management's request, the person that is carrying could be asked to leave.

    I wonder if the company's policy will change any now that this incident has happened?

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Good points. But the fact remains that the 2 year old DID get to the gun. Just a tad MORE responsibility might have prevented that. Hindsite's 20/20.
    Sure.. she could have decided to put a lock on the purse, and then.. when she was mugged in the parking lot.. she is raped and killed in front of her 2 year old because she could get the gun out in time.

    Pointing out.. there are tradeoffs in carrying a weapon for self defense. It has to be accessible, it has to be able to be fired without tremendous effort.. like fumbling with a difficult safety, or racking a round into the chamber. Sometimes fractions of seconds count... and it has to be secure from being taken from you by someone else either a perp or a toddler.

    If everytime something happened with a child.. it was automatically the parents fault for being irresponsible... every parent would be considered irresponsible.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Then you would agree that those people who are not willing or don't have the time or responsibility to "train and practice" etc. should not own a gun and should be told so. The idea that a gun = protection is what I object to. It is a double edged sword. There are at least as many reasons NOT to own a gun as there are to own one.
    No statistically there a many more reasons to own a firearm than to not own one.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Perhaps she was just a mother who carefully considered her decision to get a firearm, went through a class, got a CCW permit, and made a really stupid decision on how to carry it.

    You odnt 'wonder' where she got that idea. You believe she got that idea from a special message directly to her from the NRA. Why? Because you are biased and full of hatred towards the NRA.
    Now that you mention it, she could have got the message from you or someone like you. How would you feel if you were the one who told her she would be safer carrying a gun in her purse at Walmart or sold that mother the AR-15 that killed her and all those children in Sandy Hook? Would you be sorry?

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    True. Perhaps she was a CIA agent and had someone after her. Otherwise she was a fool to think she needed to carry a gun in her purse while shopping with her children at a Walmart. I wonder where she got that idea?
    A violent crime can happen anywhere....including Walmart. My guess is that she simply considered carrying as a prudent safety measure.

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    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    good thing she had it with her, I hear Wal-Mart is a dangerous p0lace to be nowadays.
    It can be...

    Cops: Woman Raped in Wal-Mart Parking Lot With Baby in Car | Fox News
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    True. Perhaps she was a CIA agent and had someone after her. Otherwise she was a fool to think she needed to carry a gun in her purse while shopping with her children at a Walmart. I wonder where she got that idea?
    Must be the liberal media..

    FORT WORTH (CBSDFW.COM) - Two teens have been arrested for the beating and robbery of a 73-year-old woman in a Fort Worth Walmart parking lot
    PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. - Port St. Lucie police are looking for two people who robbed an elderly woman at gunpoint. It happened at the Walmart on NW Saint Lucie West Boulevard at 5:40 p.m., according to Master Sgt. Frank Sabol, spokesman for the police department
    Police: Elderly woman robbed at knifepoint in parking lot of Richmond Walmart
    UNIONTOWN, Pa. —A second sister charged in a southwestern Pennsylvania purse-snatching that broke the hip of an 82-year-old woman who died months later has pleaded guilty as part of an agreement with prosecutors. Prosecutors said Brittany Boyd took Mary Yourchik's purse from her shopping cart outside a Wal-Mart
    By the way.. I found these examples on the first page of a google search.. and that's just the first four.. there were more.

    Wait.. here you go..

    Lee County Sheriff's Office Chief Deputy Lewis Harris tells FOX 31 that a 78-year-old woman was robbed in the parking lot of Wal-Mart on Ledo Road

    Police in Albemarle say they are interviewing possible suspects in a robbery that may have sent an elderly woman to the hospital with serious heart problems.

    The woman, who is 75, was leaving the Walmart on Leonard Drive in Albemarle at 2:45 Wednesday afternoon when police say a man offered to return her shopping cart, then grabbed her purse and pushed her to the ground.
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    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    No statistically there a many more reasons to own a firearm than to not own one.
    Statistically, the gun you own is more likely to kill or injure you or a loved one than be used for protection.

    Data from a US mortality follow-back survey were analyzed to determine whether having a firearm in the home increases the risk of a violent death in the home and whether risk varies by storage practice, type of gun, or number of guns in the home. Those persons with guns in the home were at greater risk than those without guns in the home of dying from a homicide in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 1.9, 95% confidence interval: 1.1, 3.4). They were also at greater risk of dying from a firearm homicide, but risk varied by age and whether the person was living with others at the time of death. The risk of dying from a suicide in the home was greater for males in homes with guns than for males without guns in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 10.4, 95% confidence interval: 5.8, 18.9)
    Guns in the Home and Risk of a Violent Death in the Home: Findings from a National Study

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