Page 10 of 44 FirstFirst ... 8910111220 ... LastLast
Results 91 to 100 of 439

Thread: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

  1. #91
    Sage
    Lutherf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Tucson, AZ
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:48 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    24,662

    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Fruityfact View Post
    Really really sad. Say in an alternate universe, where this lady was more responsible..or perhaps didn't have the gun, she would be alive
    It's always someone else, until it isn't. :/
    I wouldn't say that this woman was generally irresponsible. She was simply irresponsible at that moment and THAT is why I wanted to discuss firearm safety basics in this thread. Too often we get comfortable with the things we do every day and when we get too casual about our safety (and, as a result, the safety of those around us) accidents can turn tragic.

    From what I've read this woman was using a new rig but also the type of rig she'd be familiar with under different circumstances. Her comfort with a purse overrode her comfort with daily carry and the results were catastrophic.

    This isn't about bashing people who carry or even people who make mistakes. It's simply a stark reminder of why you need to keep your head in the game the whole time you're playing.

  2. #92
    Sage
    VanceMack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:28 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,677

    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Right . It is much more respectful to write her off as an imbecile and go about your business.
    She did a moronic thing. You know less than **** about her and simply applied your bias and hatred of guns, gun owners, and the NRA to the situation. Go ahead...pull the other one. As if you give a **** about her.

  3. #93
    Jedi Master
    Captain America's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Wisconsin
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 07:49 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    18,671

    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Honestly.. I don't really see so far that the women was being irresponsible. She had a weapon.. in the purse, in a special pocket designed for it. I am sorry, but the idea that a two year old.. is going to find the hidden pocket, unzip it.. be able to handle the weapon.. and fire it, AND hit his mother and kill her?

    There is a lot of things that had to go wrong at multiple steps for that to happen. So far.. I don't think it was being irresponsible.. I think it was simply bad luck. Crap happens... even when you prepare. There is a risk to life. There is risk to owning a car and driving it on the street. Every accident on the street "could have been prevented".. if everyone simply didn't drive.

    there is a risk to owning firearms.. heck there is a risk in NOT owning a firearm.

    The fact is that there are thousands upon thousands of weapons in the homes, purses, glove compartments, and pockets of americans. And probably the majority of those weapons are NOT as well secured as the woman having a firearm in a concealed carry purse with a special dedicated pocket for it. And yet.... tragedies like this make the news... because they are exceedingly rare... tremendously rare... more rare than falling in the bathtub and dying.

    Just thought I would interject a little perspective.
    Good points. But the fact remains that the 2 year old DID get to the gun. Just a tad MORE responsibility might have prevented that. Hindsite's 20/20.

    It's GREAT to be me. --- "45% liberal/55% conservative"
    Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy" until you can find a gun.

  4. #94
    Sage

    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Florida
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:54 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    23,366

    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    She did a moronic thing. You know less than **** about her and simply applied your bias and hatred of guns, gun owners, and the NRA to the situation. Go ahead...pull the other one. As if you give a **** about her.
    True. Perhaps she was a CIA agent and had someone after her. Otherwise she was a fool to think she needed to carry a gun in her purse while shopping with her children at a Walmart. I wonder where she got that idea?

  5. #95
    Sewer Rat
    Risky Thicket's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 05:14 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    23,803

    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I'm sorry but I don't see here death as inevitable. She bought the NRA kool-aid and is dead for it. I'm sure she actually believed that her gun could never hurt her only make her safer. That is what the NRA is selling..peace of mind. It doesn't include any of the "ugly" side of gun ownership and neither do gun dealers. Like that fact that your own gun is 10 times more likely to kill you or a loved one than a bad guy. If she had known the risks she would probably be alive today...a lot of people would. Guns are not for everyone, and selling them like appliances is criminal negligence.
    We don't know the lady's personal circumstances. There could be very valid reasons why she felt the need to carry. It could be - and it sadly is in so many cases - that people, and I think ladies in particular, don't purchase a gun and learn to use it until after a real or perceived threat has occurred. That in IMHO is the wrong time or the worst time to suddenly buy and carry a gun. It's rushed and the need to have the gun obscures the need to become competent in owning and carrying it.

    Responsible adults take the time to learn and practice and train and practice and think about what they are doing and why they are doing it. Owning a gun is a never ending learning process or it should be. Owning and carrying is not the end of the what if questions. In fact it should usher in a thousand more what ifs.










    "When Faith preaches Hate, Blessed are the Doubters." - Amin Maalouf

    When trouble arises and things look bad, there is always one individual who perceives a solution and is willing to take command. Very often, that person is crazy. ~Dave Barry



  6. #96
    Sage

    Mason66's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:57 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    19,453

    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    I hope the 2 year old does not remember this later in life and I also hope everybody in his family tells him she died a different way.

  7. #97
    Guru

    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Last Seen
    07-04-15 @ 04:17 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    3,032

    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Honestly.. I don't really see so far that the women was being irresponsible. She had a weapon.. in the purse, in a special pocket designed for it. I am sorry, but the idea that a two year old.. is going to find the hidden pocket, unzip it.. be able to handle the weapon.. and fire it, AND hit his mother and kill her?

    There is a lot of things that had to go wrong at multiple steps for that to happen. So far.. I don't think it was being irresponsible.. I think it was simply bad luck. Crap happens... even when you prepare. There is a risk to life. There is risk to owning a car and driving it on the street. Every accident on the street "could have been prevented".. if everyone simply didn't drive.

    there is a risk to owning firearms.. heck there is a risk in NOT owning a firearm.

    The fact is that there are thousands upon thousands of weapons in the homes, purses, glove compartments, and pockets of americans. And probably the majority of those weapons are NOT as well secured as the woman having a firearm in a concealed carry purse with a special dedicated pocket for it. And yet.... tragedies like this make the news... because they are exceedingly rare... tremendously rare... more rare than falling in the bathtub and dying.

    Just thought I would interject a little perspective.
    Good writeup. She was experienced with guns; she wasn't dumb; the gun was in a compartment specifically for concealed weapons, so for those who think she should have had it in a holster - obviously the expectation was that women would carry guns in their purses.

    I'm in favor of more gun control laws and more gun safety measures, as many of you know. But about the only thing though that could have helped in this case was trigger locks, I'm thinking. Or one of those id things that only lets the owner shoot it. Those would have probably stopped this. Or if WalMart banned people bringing guns in.

    As LutherF says "It's simply a stark reminder of why you need to keep your head in the game the whole time you're playing.".

    That's true for guns, for cars, and for other potentially deadly activities.

    People with kids may want to rethink and recheck their gun security. Or not own guns; that's the best way to avoid a gun accident. Trigger locks may be a good idea when kids are around (if they work - I freely admit I don't keep up with the latest technology).

    In the meantime, my condolences to the family. Yes, this accident was avoidable - but aren't most accidents avoidable? that's why they are accidents.

  8. #98
    Outer space potato man

    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:17 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    51,785

    Re: Mom Shot, Killed By 2-Year-Old Son at Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
    This is not an accident. It is a result of idiocy. The idiocy is the act of carrying a gun about in a supermarket. The discharge of the weapon is an accident waiting to happen.

    Americans need to understand that this should be regarded as an unlawful killing. The responsibility was the stupid mothers so no action is required but it could have been anybody at the store that caught the bullet.

    If you have a gun then that gun is the one which is more likely to kill you than all the rest of them out there.
    Do you charge the mother or do you charge the son?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

  9. #99
    Jedi Master
    Captain America's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Wisconsin
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 07:49 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    18,671

    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    True. Perhaps she was a CIA agent and had someone after her. Otherwise she was a fool to think she needed to carry a gun in her purse while shopping with her children at a Walmart. I wonder where she got that idea?
    Well, if you ask me, with Walmart's history of crime, I definitely carry when I go there. But that's just me.

    It's GREAT to be me. --- "45% liberal/55% conservative"
    Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy" until you can find a gun.

  10. #100
    Sage
    VanceMack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:28 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,677

    Re: Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    True. Perhaps she was a CIA agent and had someone after her. Otherwise she was a fool to think she needed to carry a gun in her purse while shopping with her children at a Walmart. I wonder where she got that idea?
    Perhaps she was just a mother who carefully considered her decision to get a firearm, went through a class, got a CCW permit, and made a really stupid decision on how to carry it.

    You dont 'wonder' where she got that idea. You believe she got that idea from a special message directly to her from the NRA. Why? Because you are biased and full of hatred towards the NRA.
    Last edited by VanceMack; 12-31-14 at 12:42 PM.

Page 10 of 44 FirstFirst ... 8910111220 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •