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    Re: Scalise Allegedly Spoke with White Supremacy Group

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    What about Nation of Islam activists?
    Obama’s Chicago Hate Group Connection | FrontPage Magazine

    Who support this:
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    CROE is not that much different than EURO.
    So, what you're saying is it's unfair to convict Congressman Scalise in the court of public opinion based on "guilt by association". But wait...

    Wasn't this same thing done to then Sen. Obama before he became POTUS?

    Pot...kettle...kettle...pot.

    What I find interesting here isn't that this man spoke to a group of people who he claims were part of his constituency or the that all he claims all was doing back then was attempting to illustrate the differences in elect-ability between himself and David Duke or outline differences in tax policy between both candidates. It's the fact that no one has asked what specifically did Scalise say at the event nor has anyone challenged him of the specifics of his conservative views that are so different from those of David Duke or EURO.
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    Re: Scalise Allegedly Spoke with White Supremacy Group

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    This man gave a speech to a group 12 years ago and people are calling for him to step down.

    Charlie Rangel is as dirty as they come and he is acceptable.

    There is a disconnect here as to what issues are important.
    That is a fair point. Politics often revolves around who can scream the loudest.

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    Re: Scalise Allegedly Spoke with White Supremacy Group

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    So, what you're saying is it's unfair to convict Congressman Scalise in the court of public opinion based on "guilt by association". But wait...

    Wasn't this same thing done to then Sen. Obama before he became POTUS?

    Pot...kettle...kettle...pot.

    What I find interesting here isn't that this man spoke to a group of people who he claims were part of his constituency or the that all he claims all was doing back then was attempting to illustrate the differences in elect-ability between himself and David Duke or outline differences in tax policy between both candidates. It's the fact that no one has asked what specifically did Scalise say at the event nor has anyone challenged him of the specifics of his conservative views that are so different from those of David Duke or EURO.
    Even to ask questions Obama's past was "racist" yet these same people go back 12 years to a speaking engagement and make all sorts of negative judgments. It is pathetic, though not unexpected.

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    Re: Scalise Allegedly Spoke with White Supremacy Group

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    I see what you're saying, but I disagree with the approach to ending racism. Pretty much what happens is that liberals tend towards magnifying racial issues, while conservatives tend towards minimizing them. Is our goal to make racial issues a bigger deal or a smaller one?? I think that we can agree that making them a smaller issue is a goal we can get behind. Yes?? But what happens is that non-racial issues get turned into racial issues by liberals far too often. So often that for a lot of this country, they get tuned out. Then, when a real racial issue comes up, it gets filed along with the fabricated issues. We need clear identification of when a real racial issue comes up and that's where liberals are screwing up BIG TIME. Too many are willing to make ANY white on black issue automatically a racial issue, when for the most part they are no different than black on black, white on white or black on white. The gross over-reaction by the left has made this issue almost laughable, since they are willing to claim racism when there is none so often that it's become almost a joke. People who intentionally fabricate racist accusations with nothing to base them on except the fact that it was white on black have clouded this issue so badly that no one in their right mind will get behind the idiocy that so many of these claims are based on. As a result, when a real racial issue comes up and same over-reactionaries start demanding justice (rightfully so), they've lost credibility to the point that they hurt their cause more than help it. Right now, the left in this country is over-reacting so badly to racial issues that people are starting to get fed up with it and ignoring every claim.
    The same only opposite argument can made with conservatives. Conservatives are so quick to deny any racial motivations in almost every situation that it only fuels the notion that conservatives are racists. Also it causes otherwise low level issues to explode as controversy like this one. To place all the blame on liberals is just asinine and does not help the situation. Also the quick reaction of conservatives to deny racial motivations sometimes fuels the liberal cause to inject race into situations. This is a double edge sword. How is it resolved...by taking the objections of racism by the minority community and minority leaders seriously and not dismissing it out of hand or attacking it as playing the "race card." If we are going to move forward against racism, both real and perceived, the first step is to take people who make those complaints with degree of seriousness and legitimacy instead of attacking them and dismissing them.

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    Re: Scalise Allegedly Spoke with White Supremacy Group

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    If we are going to move forward against racism, both real and perceived, the first step is to take people who make those complaints with degree of seriousness and legitimacy instead of attacking them and dismissing them.
    Most of them simply cannot be taken seriously and, if they are lying, exaggerating, or being hypocritical, then they deserve to be attacked and dismissed.

    Liberals see 'racism' everywhere, except in their own precincts.

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    Re: Scalise Allegedly Spoke with White Supremacy Group

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    That is a fair point. Politics often revolves around who can scream the loudest.
    That is correct and my first instinct is to ignore the people yelling the loudest. They are usually a tiny minority which is why they are loudly yelling.

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    Re: Scalise Allegedly Spoke with White Supremacy Group

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Most of them simply cannot be taken seriously and, if they are lying, exaggerating, or being hypocritical, then they deserve to be attacked and dismissed.

    Liberals see 'racism' everywhere, except in their own precincts.
    Thank you for showing dismissive behavior first hand. Also thanks for illustrating why conservatives continue to have issue with the racism tag...attack first...never ask questions.

    Liberals do not see racism everywhere that is just a dumb statement. One thing that most liberals do is try to take accusations of racism seriously and ask the questions that need to be asked.

    Whether you like it or not or agree with it or not there is a huge percentage of minorities in this country that believe racism is systemic and endemic in this country. That IS the perception. You must deal with the perception whether or not you agree with it in order to change that perception. Attacking people and/or dismissing people who bring up racial issues pours gasoline on that fire.

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    Re: Scalise Allegedly Spoke with White Supremacy Group

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    So, what you're saying is it's unfair to convict Congressman Scalise in the court of public opinion based on "guilt by association". But wait...

    Wasn't this same thing done to then Sen. Obama before he became POTUS?

    Pot...kettle...kettle...pot.

    What I find interesting here isn't that this man spoke to a group of people who he claims were part of his constituency or the that all he claims all was doing back then was attempting to illustrate the differences in elect-ability between himself and David Duke or outline differences in tax policy between both candidates. It's the fact that no one has asked what specifically did Scalise say at the event nor has anyone challenged him of the specifics of his conservative views that are so different from those of David Duke or EURO.
    Posted this yesterday. Perhaps it was missed.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/31/us...=top-news&_r=0
    “Twelve years ago, I spoke to many different Louisiana groups as a state representative, trying to build support for legislation that focused on cutting wasteful state spending, eliminating government corruption and stopping tax hikes,” Mr. Scalise said. “One of the many groups that I spoke to regarding this critical legislation was a group whose views I wholeheartedly condemn. It was a mistake I regret, and I emphatically oppose the divisive racial and religious views groups like these hold. I am very disappointed that anyone would try to infer otherwise for political gain.”

    The furor recalled an episode in 2002, the year Mr. Scalise spoke to the group, when Senator Trent Lott of Mississippi resigned as the Republican Senate leader after expressing regret that then-Senator Strom Thurmond of South Carolina had not been elected when he ran for president as a segregationist in 1948.
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    Seeing that Duke was not presentIn an interview on Monday with The Washington Post, Mr. Duke described Mr. Scalise as a “nice guy” who had been invited to the EURO conference by two Duke associates. Mr. Duke was out of town at the time of the conference, and spoke to attendees by phone and video links.

    And then we have this
    In 2004, Mr. Scalise and some other Louisiana Republicans were sharply critical of Mr. Duke when he sought to run for Congress as a Republican.

    “David Duke is an embarrassment to our district, and his message of hate only serves to divide us,” Mr. Scalise said, according to a February 2004 news account in New Orleans.
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    Re: Scalise Allegedly Spoke with White Supremacy Group

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    Thank you for showing dismissive behavior first hand. Also thanks for illustrating why conservatives continue to have issue with the racism tag...attack first...never ask questions.
    Which questions did you have in mind?

    Liberals do not see racism everywhere that is just a dumb statement. One thing that most liberals do is try to take accusations of racism seriously and ask the questions that need to be asked.
    No, they do not take it seriously at all. They use race for political purposes, and that is reflected in the statements by their politicians. We can easily see the social damage this has caused.

    Whether you like it or not or agree with it or not there is a huge percentage of minorities in this country that believe racism is systemic and endemic in this country. That IS the perception. You must deal with the perception whether or not you agree with it in order to change that perception.
    I'm dealing with that perception in this post. "Perceptions' are for the poorly schooled.

    Attacking people and/or dismissing people who bring up racial issues pours gasoline on that fire.
    Only for the poorly educated adolescents. People lose interest in those who cry wolf continually when there is no substance attached soon lose interest and move on to more important things in their lives.

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    Re: Scalise Allegedly Spoke with White Supremacy Group

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Why is it a surprise that a White Republican congressman from Louisiana sometime in the past spoke to a white supremacist group?
    Are you then suggesting then that perhaps Sen. Landrieau was right when she said:

    “To be very, very honest with you, the South has not always been the friendliest place for African-Americans,” she said. “It’s been a difficult time for the president to present himself in a very positive light as a leader. It’s not always been a good place for women to present ourselves. It’s more of a conservative place, so we’ve had to work a little bit harder on that.”
    Just curious...
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