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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Even though the combat mission is over, the US will not be fully out for another 2 years plus. So yay for ending the combat mission, boo US.
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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    It's not a success, but it's not a utter failure either. It's a work in progress, and we are still there to transition, and provide support.

    The ANSF have been taking heavy losses ( 5000 this year + 3000 police), so these aren't a bunch of Iraqi cowards either.
    They've been able to hold or retake ground. The US keeping air support and MEDVACS is a big deal too.
    We are going true counter -terrorism now.

    While I would never have gone the "nation building route ( counter-insurgency) and would have gone counter-terrorism like we are doing now;Afghan society is much better then it was before.
    The army is cohesive, there are newspapers/women in Parliament, successful election, a unity gov't, etc.

    With Paki's determined offensive against the TTP Taliban in the Waziristans ,
    there is a chance here that Afghan will eventualy come out of the feudal warlord phase to some type of national gov't.
    Which I'd like to see both for international terrorism concerns, and for the much beleaguered Afghan people.

    The Pashtun nationalism though, and the Taliban make this far from over or a guarantee. Far from over, but far from a defeat either.

    Obama is spinning a "successful end "to the war" as his usual crap speak, and I've long since quit paying attention to him,
    but all in all the situation is much better now then it has been for a long time with the Paki cooperation, and the Afghan new unity gov't.

    Thank great Buddha Karzai is out of there....hope for the best expect the worse at this point , my friend


    It's not? A Work in Progress to what? He told the Troops from Hawaii that the World is safer, and that's going into 2015. Even Bob Woodward is back out slamming BO over that statement. Saying how is that when BO has declared War on ISIS.....and for still thinking the War on Terror is over with.

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    About 12 years to late.
    I disagree with you on this. Although I have been hard on Bush for invading Iraq, his war in Afghanistan was the good war. Don't forget that these are the assholes who gave bin Laden a base to work from, and who protected him after 911. I give kudos to Bush on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I disagree with you on this. Although I have been hard on Bush for invading Iraq, his war in Afghanistan was the good war. Don't forget that these are the assholes who gave bin Laden a base to work from, and who protected him after 911. I give kudos to Bush on this one.
    10's of thousands killed and maimed, approx 1 Trillion in costs. The cesspool will revert to being a cesspool.
    1 report I recall reading was the costs of drilling a water well. Ran as high as 1/4 of a million after bribes and all.
    Once Bin Laden left, the Coalition should have left as well.


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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    yes, but that was a court decision if I understand? I'm not here to defend Pakistan, but I think you missed this, this is more then just rhetoric:
    I can't c/p all 20 points ( at this link ) Pakistan announces a national plan to fight terrorism, says terrorists’ days are numbered - The Washington Post

    These are very significant...I'm not gonna comment on each one, as I'm sure you understand enough to see there significance.
    Pakistan has all the information needed to prosecute. They dragged this out for 6 years.

    BBC News - Mumbai attack 'leader' wins Pakistan appeal

    The alleged leader of the 2008 militant attacks on Mumbai has won an appeal against his detention in Pakistan.

    Lawyers for Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi said a government detention order issued last week infringed his rights, as he had been granted bail by another court.

    Analysts say he could be freed as soon as the paperwork is completed.

    India says a Pakistani militant group carried out the attacks, which killed 165. Pakistan has not convicted anyone suspected of planning the attacks.

    Mr Lakhvi is among seven suspects who have been in jail awaiting trial for six years. Nine others have been charged in absentia.

    Analysts say the decision to grant him bail came at an embarrassing time for the Pakistani government.

    Pakistan's Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif recently promised to crack down on militancy after the Taliban killed 141 people at a school in Peshawar.
    Which at least leaves some room for more optimism in Afgh, as to the conditions that have finally changed there too that I listed in above post.[/QUOTE]

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/22/wo...ed-puzzle.html
    In the fall of 2008, a 30-year-old computer expert named Zarrar Shah roamed from outposts in the northern mountains of Pakistan to safe houses near the Arabian Sea, plotting mayhem in Mumbai, India’s commercial gem.

    Mr. Shah, the technology chief of Lashkar-e-Taiba, the Pakistani terror group, and fellow conspirators used Google Earth to show militants the routes to their targets in the city. He set up an Internet phone system to disguise his location by routing his calls through New Jersey. Shortly before an assault that would kill 166 people, including six Americans, Mr. Shah searched online for a Jewish hostel and two luxury hotels, all sites of the eventual carnage.

    But he did not know that by September, the British were spying on many of his online activities, tracking his Internet searches and messages, according to former American and Indian officials and classified documents disclosed by Edward J. Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor.
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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And what do Iraq and Afghanistan have in common?
    They were invaded during the "Never ending war on terror"?


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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Obama's Arab Spring
    The Arab Spring belongs to the arab people.

    and Obama's Iraq.
    And also Bush 1, Bush 2, Clinton, Obama, Saddam, ISIS, Baathist, Kurds, and the Iraqis people.


    What a great idea from the Nobel Peace Prize recipient, seedlings of terrorism around the globe.
    I agree. He didnt deserve the nobel peace prize.


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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    It's not? A Work in Progress to what? He told the Troops from Hawaii that the World is safer, and that's going into 2015. Even Bob Woodward is back out slamming BO over that statement. Saying how is that when BO has declared War on ISIS.....and for still thinking the War on Terror is over with.
    Morning MMC
    I'm hoping Obama has the good sense to not use 2015 as a hard date for complete exit. I'm hoping the ANSF continues to fight and we continue tohelp as long as they do.

    The war is vastly unpopular ( hell -I hate it too), but the region has to be pacified, now that the Taliban are not just local but international presence.
    So what ever Obama says now for politics/domestic consumption we have to hope his JCS/advisors can talk some sense into him like they did on the continued air support they did for this phase

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    Morning MMC
    I'm hoping Obama has the good sense to not use 2015 as a hard date for complete exit. I'm hoping the ANSF continues to fight and we continue tohelp as long as they do.

    The war is vastly unpopular ( hell -I hate it too), but the region has to be pacified, now that the Taliban are not just local but international presence.
    So what ever Obama says now for politics/domestic consumption we have to hope his JCS/advisors can talk some sense into him like they did on the continued air support they did for this phase

    Mornin' AT. I thought he has his SOFA in place? With who he is releasing from the Taliban. I don't think things will be improving any.

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' AT. I thought he has his SOFA in place? With who he is releasing from the Taliban. I don't think things will be improving any.
    last I read was the US's BSA finally signed, and I guess the NATO SOFA also. But since Karzai is out and Ghani a much more reasonable player..there could be some room there if things don't just deteriorate.
    I do agree emptying Gitmo at any cost, as well as that trade for Bergdahl is likely to have blowback.

    Bunch of hard core Yemeni AQAP types were also let go, or on their way out, which has got to be bad news.

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