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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Same thing as in Iraq. Billions spent on train/ arming- quipping. Then the Iraqi PM Maliki, ruined the Military through blatant corruption and sidelining Sunnis., a nice term for how he treated them.
    I wonder if Afghanistan will be a repeat of Iraq.
    I have a feeling you are right. Time will tell.

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    The justification for the huge CIA operation had been to halt Soviet aggression, not to take sides in a tribal war certainly not to transform the killing capacity of these warriors.

    What now seems clear is that, under the umbrella of the CIA's programme, Afghanistan had become a gathering place for militant Muslims from around the world..
    Jalaluddin Haqqani, had long been a gateway for Saudi volunteers, and for years the CIA had no problem with such associations. Osama bin Laden was one of those volunteers who could frequently be found in the same area where Charlie had been Haqqani's honoured guest.
    The presumption had been that when the United States packed its bags and cut off the Afghans, the jihad would simply burn itself out.
    The consequence for America of having waged a secret war and never acknowledging or advertising its role was that it set in motion the spirit of jihad and the belief in surrogate soldiers that, having brought down one superpower, they could just as easily take on another.

    But with the Russians gone, sanctions were imposed and all military and economic assistance was cut off.
    Within a year, the Clinton administration would move to place Pakistan on the list of state sponsors of terrorism.
    The Pakistan military had long been the surrogates for the CIA, and every Afghan and Arab mujahedin fighter came to believe that America had betrayed the Pakistanis.
    And when the United States kept its troops (including large numbers of women) in Saudi Arabia, not just bin Laden but most Islamists believed that America wanted to seize the Islamic oil fields and was seeking world domination
    Charlie Wilson's War: How one man changed history - Features - Films - The Independent

    I found this to be a really good read that shows how the CIA arming the mujahideen to fight the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan,
    eventually created the Taliban, or at least the AQ presence in Afghanistan by jihadist that eventually caused 9-11, and so forth

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    Charlie Wilson's War: How one man changed history - Features - Films - The Independent

    I found this to be a really good read that shows how the CIA arming the mujahideen to fight the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan,
    eventually created the Taliban, or at least the AQ presence in Afghanistan by jihadist that eventually caused 9-11, and so forth
    Versions of the Taliban and the accompanying terrorism existed long before Afghanistan and 9/11, and was going on internationally. The western nations were eventually going to be attacked but certainly not with conventional warfare. The truth is fascinating and far more interesting and complex than the movie. We can also see the tremendous progress they are making.

    Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood - Council on Foreign Relations

    The Muslim Brotherhood's Strategic Plan For America - Court Document

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Versions of the Taliban and the accompanying terrorism existed long before Afghanistan and 9/11, and was going on internationally. The western nations were eventually going to be attacked but certainly not with conventional warfare. The truth is fascinating and far more interesting and complex than the movie. We can also see the tremendous progress they are making.

    Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood - Council on Foreign Relations

    The Muslim Brotherhood's Strategic Plan For America - Court Document
    sure. terrorism has been diffuse on going on for as long I can remebbr -at least back to the Munich Olympics.

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    sure. terrorism has been diffuse on going on for as long I can remebbr -at least back to the Munich Olympics.
    Yes, I also think that's when the modern era began, followed by plane hijackings, shoot-outs at airports, etc. I don't know if an honest documentary exists on the history of the Muslim Brotherhood and their ambitious plans but the Clarion Project makes for some fascinating reading. The Muslim Brotherhood's Strategic Plan For America - Court Document

    The problem is that it seems too ambitious and farfetched to be true, and just another conspiracy theory, until we take a step back and look at the progress, on several levels, they have made. Just Google Islam in American schools, while Christianity is being rejected, and you'll find they're progressing quite well. Islam In Our Schools | We expose the light treatment and revisionist history given Islam in public schools And of course the media is nervous about voicing any criticism because of charges of Islamophobia, another Muslim Brotherhood inspired term.

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    I have a feeling you are right. Time will tell.
    That whole crescent is a shole.
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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    That whole crescent is a shole.
    You are so right my friend. So right.

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    You are so right my friend. So right.
    I am ex Canadian Military and our MOC 's, trade classifications are numeric. Is 11b - your MOC? Infantry?
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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    I am ex Canadian Military and our MOC 's, trade classifications are numeric. Is 11b - your MOC? Infantry?
    We refer to our 'jobs' as MOS (military occupation specialty). 11B is infantry. Good ol' grunts :-)

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