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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Afghanistan conflict: Ghani queries troop exit deadline

    Mr Ghani told US broadcaster CBS that "deadlines should not be dogmas".
    If both parties, or, in this case, multiple partners, have done their best to achieve the objectives and progress is very real, then there should be willingness to re-examine a deadline," Mr Ghani told the 60 Minutes programme, in an interview to be screened by CBS on Sunday evening

    Gen John Campbell, who commands the coalition's remaining forces in Afghanistan, told 60 Minutes separately he was confident Afghan security forces could prevent the country falling into the hands of militant groups like Islamic State in Syria and Iraq.

    "With the military they have here... this is not Iraq," he said. The Afghan military, he argued, was now the "number one respected institution in Afghanistan".
    "Couple years ago, I probably wouldn't have said that but today it is," he said, speaking in Kabul.

    BBC News - Afghanistan conflict: Ghani queries troop exit deadline

    I think there is a provision in the BSA that both parties can agree to an extension, though US domestic politics would 'prolly preclude that

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    Afghanistan conflict: Ghani queries troop exit deadline

    Mr Ghani told US broadcaster CBS that "deadlines should not be dogmas".
    If both parties, or, in this case, multiple partners, have done their best to achieve the objectives and progress is very real, then there should be willingness to re-examine a deadline," Mr Ghani told the 60 Minutes programme, in an interview to be screened by CBS on Sunday evening

    Gen John Campbell, who commands the coalition's remaining forces in Afghanistan, told 60 Minutes separately he was confident Afghan security forces could prevent the country falling into the hands of militant groups like Islamic State in Syria and Iraq.

    "With the military they have here... this is not Iraq," he said. The Afghan military, he argued, was now the "number one respected institution in Afghanistan".
    "Couple years ago, I probably wouldn't have said that but today it is," he said, speaking in Kabul.

    BBC News - Afghanistan conflict: Ghani queries troop exit deadline

    I think there is a provision in the BSA that both parties can agree to an extension, though US domestic politics would 'prolly preclude that


    Mornin AT. He did more than just query.


    Afghanistan: US should 're-examine' withdrawing from country.....

    President Ghani's comments appear to be a tacit admission of what many analysts have noted: Despite the "end" of the Afghan war, Afghanistan remains embroiled in a conflict that shows no sign of ending any time soon. Indeed, the Taliban, which NATO removed from power in 2001 and which have since waged a resilient guerrilla war funded by opium sales, promised to continue to fight following what it called the Western forces' "defeat." The Monitor wrote that according to a Taliban spokesman, NATO “rolled up its flag in an atmosphere of failure and disappointment without having achieved anything substantial or tangible.”

    The Christian Science Monitor's Dan Murphy wrote that the past year has been one of the deadliest in Afghanistan, with more than 4,000 Afghan police and military and nearly as many civilians killed in 2014. And despite Obama's claims that the US is "safer, and our nation is more secure" due to fighting in the Afghan war, Mr. Murphy writes that "There's no evidence to support that claim, and plenty to suggest the war has been a long, self-inflicted wound on the country."....snip~

    Afghanistan: US should 're-examine' withdrawing from country

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin AT. He did more than just query.


    Afghanistan: US should 're-examine' withdrawing from country.....

    President Ghani's comments appear to be a tacit admission of what many analysts have noted: Despite the "end" of the Afghan war, Afghanistan remains embroiled in a conflict that shows no sign of ending any time soon. Indeed, the Taliban, which NATO removed from power in 2001 and which have since waged a resilient guerrilla war funded by opium sales, promised to continue to fight following what it called the Western forces' "defeat." The Monitor wrote that according to a Taliban spokesman, NATO “rolled up its flag in an atmosphere of failure and disappointment without having achieved anything substantial or tangible.”

    The Christian Science Monitor's Dan Murphy wrote that the past year has been one of the deadliest in Afghanistan, with more than 4,000 Afghan police and military and nearly as many civilians killed in 2014. And despite Obama's claims that the US is "safer, and our nation is more secure" due to fighting in the Afghan war, Mr. Murphy writes that "There's no evidence to support that claim, and plenty to suggest the war has been a long, self-inflicted wound on the country."....snip~

    Afghanistan: US should 're-examine' withdrawing from country
    Greetings, MMC.

    Well, it's the first Moanday in the New Year! Ugh! There isn't enough coffee in the world to counter that, but I am trying to be optimistic about having a reasonably productive day anyway.

    The Afghans are fighters, I'll give them that! Their war nearly bankrupted Russia, who eventually had to leave without gaining anything resembling a victory - what do we hope to gain by going down that same road? I guess my question is whether they want us there or don't they?

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, MMC.

    Well, it's the first Moanday in the New Year! Ugh! There isn't enough coffee in the world to counter that, but I am trying to be optimistic about having a reasonably productive day anyway.

    The Afghans are fighters, I'll give them that! Their war nearly bankrupted Russia, who eventually had to leave without gaining anything resembling a victory - what do we hope to gain by going down that same road? I guess my question is whether they want us there or don't they?

    The Taliban don't want us there Lady P. Of course the puppet and his New Government are a bit worried. So they want us to stay. Naturally we are trying to pump up the Afghan Military and police. So they don't just walk away and give up.

    Since we are not in it to win it. Nor really finish anything to a final ending. Then I say, bring all of our people out of there, don't give them anymore of our money. Then let the chips fall where they may. If it turns into another Libya. So be it, and let them over there deal with all of it.

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    The Taliban don't want us there Lady P. Of course the puppet and his New Government are a bit worried. So they want us to stay. Naturally we are trying to pump up the Afghan Military and police. So they don't just walk away and give up.

    Since we are not in it to win it. Nor really finish anything to a final ending. Then I say, bring all of our people out of there, don't give them anymore of our money. Then let the chips fall where they may. If it turns into another Libya. So be it, and let them over there deal with all of it.
    Are there any "good guys" in the ME? ISIS is definitely not among them if there are, and they are getting stronger by the day. I suppose the Afghan government has cause to worry, but what do they expect us to do to assist them? Evil needs to be fought, but those folks over there think differently than we do, and that's been the case for thousands of years. We aren't going to change that. Do we allow ISIS to continue to gobble up countries by sheer force of numbers and impose Sharia law on everyone over there whether they want it or not? It is a dilemma, and I don't know what the answer is. I do know that we can't afford to spend countless years and untold millions to maybe correct a problem not of our making.

    In the battle of Thermopylae, 300 Spartans stood against the entire Persian army. They lost, but they changed history. Is tiny Afghanistan going to repeat history?

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Are there any "good guys" in the ME? ISIS is definitely not among them if there are, and they are getting stronger by the day. I suppose the Afghan government has cause to worry, but what do they expect us to do to assist them? Evil needs to be fought, but those folks over there think differently than we do, and that's been the case for thousands of years. We aren't going to change that. Do we allow ISIS to continue to gobble up countries by sheer force of numbers and impose Sharia law on everyone over there whether they want it or not? It is a dilemma, and I don't know what the answer is. I do know that we can't afford to spend countless years and untold millions to maybe correct a problem not of our making.

    In the battle of Thermopylae, 300 Spartans stood against the entire Persian army. They lost, but they changed history. Is tiny Afghanistan going to repeat history?


    Yeah there is Israel.....their good guys.

    They made History beating us. Next up.....the Chinese for the repeat.

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin AT. He did more than just query.


    Afghanistan: US should 're-examine' withdrawing from country.....

    President Ghani's comments appear to be a tacit admission of what many analysts have noted: Despite the "end" of the Afghan war, Afghanistan remains embroiled in a conflict that shows no sign of ending any time soon. Indeed, the Taliban, which NATO removed from power in 2001 and which have since waged a resilient guerrilla war funded by opium sales, promised to continue to fight following what it called the Western forces' "defeat." The Monitor wrote that according to a Taliban spokesman, NATO “rolled up its flag in an atmosphere of failure and disappointment without having achieved anything substantial or tangible.”

    The Christian Science Monitor's Dan Murphy wrote that the past year has been one of the deadliest in Afghanistan, with more than 4,000 Afghan police and military and nearly as many civilians killed in 2014. And despite Obama's claims that the US is "safer, and our nation is more secure" due to fighting in the Afghan war, Mr. Murphy writes that "There's no evidence to support that claim, and plenty to suggest the war has been a long, self-inflicted wound on the country."....snip~

    Afghanistan: US should 're-examine' withdrawing from country
    Morning to you 2 MMC
    quite a change from Karzai, huh? What I'm concerned about is the "political deadline", as Boehner put it quite accurately, instead of looking at the situation. Reminds me of the political deadline for Gitmo.
    The ANF are really fighting, and while we have air-support to the point of flying stand alone combat missions -what happens past 2017?

    I's much rather evaluate as we go along. For sure Ghani is advocating a position here; why would he not do so given the rare 60minutes opportunity to speak directly to the uninformed American public?

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah there is Israel.....their good guys.

    They made History beating us. Next up.....the Chinese for the repeat.
    I'd add Jordan to that list of true allies in the ME.
    Egypt is come and go according to the needs, but Jordan has been stalwart

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    Morning to you 2 MMC
    quite a change from Karzai, huh? What I'm concerned about is the "political deadline", as Boehner put it quite accurately, instead of looking at the situation. Reminds me of the political deadline for Gitmo.
    The ANF are really fighting, and while we have air-support to the point of flying stand alone combat missions -what happens past 2017?

    I's much rather evaluate as we go along. For sure Ghani is advocating a position here; why would he not do so given the rare 60minutes opportunity to speak directly to the uninformed American public?


    Uhm.....the American People were watching NFL Football. Celebrating in bars and some driving home. I think they might have missed it.

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Uhm.....the American People were watching NFL Football. Celebrating in bars and some driving home. I think they might have missed it.
    maybe. there are DVR's?
    I was posting in general terms MMC; I see little if any coverage of AfPak "now that combat missions are over" according to Obama

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