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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Lady P. I doubt it will ever happen again. To many see that Global economy and Nation building.
    In a way, I'm satisfied to know that the threat to them that we can turn their area into a sea of glass, if necessary, might be a sufficient deterrent to their ambitions. We've done it before in Nagasaki in WW2, so it's not an idle threat. My only problem with that is the deaths of innocent people that have no voice in what their thuggish leaders do, and the "collateral damage" argument is Bull****!

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Obama’s plan calls for the roughly 11,000 American troops staying in Afghanistan past Wednesday into the new year to draw down until he leaves office in January 2017

    "Has President Obama not learned from his mistakes in Iraq?” the Ohio Republican asked in a statement.

    The speaker’s office released a number of excerpts from news reports describing an increase in combat deaths in Afghanistan, areas of territory lost to the Taliban and the comparative weakness of the Afghan National Security Forces without American help. The U.S. troop pullout is premature, Boehner charged, and a “formal” end to the conflict does not mean it’s actually over.

    Afghanistan could go the way of Iraq if the U.S. does not do enough to backstop Kabul against the Taliban and terrorists, he argued
    John Boehner blasts Obama

    Boehner calls the withdrawal based on a political timeline "arbitrary"

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    Obama’s plan calls for the roughly 11,000 American troops staying in Afghanistan past Wednesday into the new year to draw down until he leaves office in January 2017



    John Boehner blasts Obama

    Boehner calls the withdrawal based on a political timeline "arbitrary"


    Well, one would think Boehner would know what the Taliban stated when they got their Office in Qatar. Especially after the Taliban said.....its not over until they say it is over. Or until there are none of them left to say anything at all.

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    Obama’s plan calls for the roughly 11,000 American troops staying in Afghanistan past Wednesday into the new year to draw down until he leaves office in January 2017



    John Boehner blasts Obama

    Boehner calls the withdrawal based on a political timeline "arbitrary"
    As I stated, 12 years to late. The place in a sinkhole. How long and how many troops do you think would be needed to pacify and nation build AStan?
    Care to provide some numbers and decades needed?

    Here are some numbers for you.
    Thousands of US troops killed
    1 Trillion spent
    Then add in the cost for treating Veterans.

    Longest war for US cost $1tn
    The Afghanistan war, the longest overseas conflict in American history, has cost the US taxpayer nearly $1tn and will require spending several hundred billion dollars more after it officially ends this month, according to Financial Times calculations and independent researchers.

    Around 80 percent of that spending on the Afghanistan conflict has taken place during the presidency of Barack Obama, who sharply increased the US military presence in the country after taking office
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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    As I stated, 12 years to late. The place in a sinkhole. How long and how many troops do you think would be needed to pacify and nation build AStan?
    Care to provide some numbers and decades needed?

    Here are some numbers for you.
    Thousands of US troops killed
    1 Trillion spent
    Then add in the cost for treating Veterans.

    Longest war for US cost $1tn
    The Afghanistan war, the longest overseas conflict in American history, has cost the US taxpayer nearly $1tn and will require spending several hundred billion dollars more after it officially ends this month, according to Financial Times calculations and independent researchers.

    Around 80 percent of that spending on the Afghanistan conflict has taken place during the presidency of Barack Obama, who sharply increased the US military presence in the country after taking office
    you're not telling me anything that isn't common knowledge, and to ask me "how many and how long"
    is to ask particulars I'm not privy to.

    It's extremely easy to criticize the war. I was against it too in terms of a counterinsurgency operation.
    There have been more then enough SNAFU's , and I'm not going to make promises or predictions by using US/ISAF/NATO forces,
    because that is never going to work.

    If there is any chance for the Afghan gov't to succeed, it is not by killing all the Taliban. The goal has to be a negotiated settlement.
    The problems are myriad. I've attempted to mention a few in this thread, but to detail them all would take "12 years". so to speak.

    We are supposed to drawdown on the "political timeline" (an accurate assessment by Boehner) to embassy level by 2017.

    I've given my ( + & - ) strategic evaluations of the situation at this point in time throughout this thread.
    If you want to talk about anything specific - other then generalized doom - just do so and I'll give my best response.

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    you're not telling me anything that isn't common knowledge, and to ask me "how many and how long"
    is to ask particulars I'm not privy to.

    It's extremely easy to criticize the war. I was against it too in terms of a counterinsurgency operation.
    There have been more then enough SNAFU's , and I'm not going to make promises or predictions by using US/ISAF/NATO forces,
    because that is never going to work.

    If there is any chance for the Afghan gov't to succeed, it is not by killing all the Taliban. The goal has to be a negotiated settlement.
    The problems are myriad. I've attempted to mention a few in this thread, but to detail them all would take "12 years". so to speak.

    We are supposed to drawdown on the "political timeline" (an accurate assessment by Boehner) to embassy level by 2017.

    I've given my ( + & - ) strategic evaluations of the situation at this point in time throughout this thread.
    If you want to talk about anything specific - other then generalized doom - just do so and I'll give my best response.


    Mornin AT. Did you see this? The US has paid out a 104 Billion for Afghanistan alone.



    Afghanistan faces economic timebomb as NATO war ends......

    After a decade of near double-digit growth, the Afghan economy has stalled in the last two years, hit by a disputed presidential election and the end of NATO's combat mission, which formally closed on Sunday. "As the withdrawal got nearer, investors in Afghanistan moved their money abroad -- they transferred it to Dubai, China, Pakistan, India, Turkey," he said.

    Since 2002, America has pumped more than $104 billion into Afghanistan -- a figure that, when adjusted for inflation, surpasses the Marshall Plan that helped Europe rise from the ashes of World War II, according to the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR), a US watchdog. But the bulk of this money has gone on combat operations rather than reconstruction and while Afghan forces are taking over the fight against the Taliban, their wages still come from overseas support. The Kabul government is expecting income this year of around $1.8 billion dollars -- less than the value of Afghanistan's opium crop, which feeds the coffers of the Taliban......snip~

    Afghanistan faces economic timebomb as NATO war ends

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    As I stated, 12 years to late. The place in a sinkhole.
    That understanding goes back far more than 12 years, centuries in fact, but it is a sinkhole, or stinkhole, where terrorists can congregate. It can be ignored until further atrocities occur or dealt with in a way only an Afghanistani can understand. The withdrawal of the troops only delays the inevitable, where more lives will be lost before another response is made. Same as Iraq.

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That understanding goes back far more than 12 years, centuries in fact, but it is a sinkhole, or stinkhole, where terrorists can congregate. It can be ignored until further atrocities occur or dealt with in a way only an Afghanistani can understand. The withdrawal of the troops only delays the inevitable, where more lives will be lost before another response is made. Same as Iraq.
    You can stay in Afghanistan till the cows come home and it will not change. Change will only happen from inside the country. Pakistan may play a role, only due to Chinese pressure as they want to protect their investments and stop the export of terror to their own country. Though the Chinese problem can be laid at their feet due to a hardline stance.
    The Taliban are split from hardline to those that open schools for girls.
    There are more important areas where limited resources can be spent.
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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    You can stay in Afghanistan till the cows come home and it will not change. Change will only happen from inside the country. Pakistan may play a role, only due to Chinese pressure as they want to protect their investments and stop the export of terror to their own country. Though the Chinese problem can be laid at their feet due to a hardline stance. The Taliban are split from hardline to those that open schools for girls. There are more important areas where limited resources can be spent.
    It is how the situation is handled in the country, not just a matter of 'staying' there. The enemy has to be absolutely defeated and then the country rebuilt. Rebuilding with the Taliban still a major force did not, and cannot, work. They will regain power and, knowing that the Coalition is weak and will eventually retreat, will be more powerful than ever.

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin AT. Did you see this? The US has paid out a 104 Billion for Afghanistan alone.



    Afghanistan faces economic timebomb as NATO war ends......

    After a decade of near double-digit growth, the Afghan economy has stalled in the last two years, hit by a disputed presidential election and the end of NATO's combat mission, which formally closed on Sunday. "As the withdrawal got nearer, investors in Afghanistan moved their money abroad -- they transferred it to Dubai, China, Pakistan, India, Turkey," he said.

    Since 2002, America has pumped more than $104 billion into Afghanistan -- a figure that, when adjusted for inflation, surpasses the Marshall Plan that helped Europe rise from the ashes of World War II, according to the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR), a US watchdog. But the bulk of this money has gone on combat operations rather than reconstruction and while Afghan forces are taking over the fight against the Taliban, their wages still come from overseas support. The Kabul government is expecting income this year of around $1.8 billion dollars -- less than the value of Afghanistan's opium crop, which feeds the coffers of the Taliban......snip~

    Afghanistan faces economic timebomb as NATO war ends
    hello again MMC. Yes .

    please continue reading your link:
    Without the $8 billion a year in international aid currently guaranteed until at least 2016, the Afghan government is unable to pay the salaries of the 350,000 soldiers and police on the front line of battling the Taliban.

    However, Afghanistan's NATO decade has brought huge economic growth -- GDP has risen from $2.5 billion in 2001 to more than $20 billion, according to the World Bank, boosted by transport, construction, telecoms and media
    I mentioned "extractive economy" before:

    One sector which has caught investors' eyes more than any other is mining. The US Geological Survey has estimated the value of Afghanistan's mineral deposits, including gold, iron and copper, at between one and three trillion dollars.

    Afghanistan needs to reform its law on mines, make the process of bidding for concessions more transparent, extend the rail network and tackle rampant corruption in existing mines
    ^big lithium deposits also..

    from this link below
    Frustrated Afghans wonder who is in charge amid cabinet delays and Taliban attacks | GulfNews.com
    Delays in filling cabinet posts and other government vacancies have left public agencies in disarray.

    In one province, police officials have been fired and not replaced despite a rash of violent crime. In another, frustrated parents are calling their legislators to get copies of school records. In the capital, no phones were answered at one federal ministry last week — an unusual occurrence even by lax Afghan standards. In another ministry, idle office workers made a video of one another dancing in the halls, which was later shown to a reporter
    ^ seems Ghani/Abdullah want to stamp out corruption, but not using qualified -if corruptible ministers, is allowing lower level corruption..

    The opium trades doesn't just fill the Taliban coffers, at least some small amount makes it to the farmers, and I'm sure yet more corruption..
    Country is in a real transition - see where it goes

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