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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Hi MMC!

    That brings up the question then of why the Army was even there. That the strongest military force in the world should be sacrificing these good men and women and then leaving for the Islamists to take over just doesn't make any apparent sense. The families and friends of those people who died in Iraq and Afghanistan must be asking themselves what it was all for.

    It seems to me that there has to be some continuity between Presidencies when the country is at war or it will continue to be one defeat after another, with domestic political purposes overriding the welfare of the country and its allies.

    The US retreating from the Middle East and Afghanistan will only embolden terrorists, just as we have seen in Iraq, Egypt and Libya. American wars have always been held somewhere else but I'm not sure, with the latest demonstration of weakness, that this good fortune will continue. That the American people themselves are divided and uncertain about foreign policy, even as to who is their enemy, is also a negative indicator.


    Mornin' AT. This could be a good thing.....in that, it will end the Illusion by those that think the Jihadists. Will stop and spread no where else. Or that they will not come here to the US. That think there will be some sort of Peace. That all the US has to do is leave and not get involved. That this will solve the problem. Which mostly those thinking such do lean left. Then the naysayers. Puts them in the light too.

    It will also bring out all the facts with Islam and Arab Muslims. As then the focus is squarely on all of them.....for good or bad. For their countries, their religion, their economies, their people.

    Lets see which way they want to live.....For life or for Death. Then we bring them our answer. All of them!

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Grant I forgot to put you in on this with AT.....sorry about that my brutha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' AT. This could be a good thing.....in that, it will end the Illusion by those that think the Jihadists. Will stop and spread no where else. Or that they will not come here to the US. That think there will be some sort of Peace. That all the US has to do is leave and not get involved. That this will solve the problem. Which mostly those thinking such do lean left. Then the naysayers. Puts them in the light too.

    It will also bring out all the facts with Islam and Arab Muslims. As then the focus is squarely on all of them.....for good or bad. For their countries, their religion, their economies, their people.

    Lets see which way they want to live.....For life or for Death. Then we bring them our answer. All of them!

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' AT. This could be a good thing.....in that, it will end the Illusion by those that think the Jihadists. Will stop and spread no where else. Or that they will not come here to the US. That think there will be some sort of Peace. That all the US has to do is leave and not get involved. That this will solve the problem. Which mostly those thinking such do lean left. Then the naysayers. Puts them in the light too.

    It will also bring out all the facts with Islam and Arab Muslims. As then the focus is squarely on all of them.....for good or bad. For their countries, their religion, their economies, their people.

    Lets see which way they want to live.....For life or for Death. Then we bring them our answer. All of them!
    I think most Muslims, like most everyone else, just want to live their lives in peace. But they, like the German people with Nazism, are being overwhelmed by an ideology where brainwashed fanatics are willing to die for the cause of spreading Islam throughout the world. Naysayers will not be tolerated.

    The tired "Islam is a religion of Peace' refrain from those who should no better, overlooks the fact that it can also be a religion of war. The latter is having the most influence now while the 'moderates', who still usually defend their religion, are largely powerless.

    Islamism will not be stopped until the situation you describe arises, and much damage done. The lesson of Munich, though a cliche, is inescapable.

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I think most Muslims, like most everyone else, just want to live their lives in peace. But they, like the German people with Nazism, are being overwhelmed by an ideology where brainwashed fanatics are willing to die for the cause of spreading Islam throughout the world. Naysayers will not be tolerated.

    The tired "Islam is a religion of Peace' refrain from those who should no better, overlooks the fact that it can also be a religion of war. The latter is having the most influence now while the 'moderates', who still usually defend their religion, are largely powerless.

    Islamism will not be stopped until the situation you describe arises, and much damage done. The lesson of Munich, though a cliche, is inescapable.
    It goes back to Saudi Arabia's export of Wahhabism :

    Analyses - Wahhabism | PBS - Saudi Time Bomb? | FRONTLINE | PBS
    Critics say that Wahhabism's rigidity has led it to misinterpret and distort Islam, pointing to extremists such as Osama bin Laden and the Taliban.
    Wahhabism's explosive growth began in the 1970s when Saudi charities started funding Wahhabi schools (madrassas) and mosques from Islamabad..

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Is there a connection between the fundamentalism of the Taliban and the fundamentalism of the Wahhabi?

    The connection has been growing very, very strong in the past 20 years, and particularly in the past ten years. The dominant school of Islam with which the Taliban associate -- which is known as the Deobandi school -- is very prominent in Afghanistan and also in wide areas of Pakistan. Northern India has increasingly gravitated toward Wahhabi teaching, and has very, very strong organizational ties with various Wahhabi religious leaders.

    Analyses - Wahhabism | PBS - Saudi Time Bomb? | FRONTLINE | PBS

    same reason the Taliban blew up the Standing Buddha's, and ISIL blows up statutes - Salafi is essentially the same as Wahhabism
    Afghan Taliban Begin Destruction of Ancient Buddha Statues | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    This is a terrible mistake by Obama and his administration and will come back to bite us in the ass just like Iraq.
    "God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends - The Washington Post

    While remaining NATO forces will have a formal mission of providing training and "assistance" to Afghan forces, a separate U.S. force will continue to provide security, logistical support, and engage in "counterterrorism."

    In other words a limited combat role for U.S. forces will continue. Five thousand Americans will remain with the NATO contingent of 12,000, while 5,500 U.S. troops will remain in the separate, combat role. In other words, no, the U.S. war in Afghanistan is not over.
    true, it's not over.... my boy is readying for yet another tour as we speak.

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya AT. Did you see or hear BO's speech on Afghanistan. He claimed it as a success.

    While the Taliban laugh and talk about how BO negotiates to end the War they say isn't over.

    Our troops are going to be hard pressed having to watch out for the Taliban and with the re-emergence of AQ in Afghanistan.
    Thats the classic lefty tactic-call losing a win so you can feel great about it.

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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    As I mentioned, 12 years to late. The place is a shxthole of corruption. it will not change for a multiple of generations.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/01/wo...T.nav=top-news

    KABUL, Afghanistan — Early this year, officials in Washington extolled a rare success in the fight against the drug trade in Afghanistan: The authorities there had imprisoned a leading opium trafficker on the United States’ kingpin list, Haji Lal Jan Ishaqzai.

    The incarceration hinted at a newfound willingness by the Afghan authorities to prosecute criminals whose clout once made them untouchable. For those seeking evidence that the United States had not wasted hundreds of millions of dollars propping up Afghanistan’s criminal justice system, here was Exhibit A.

    Then Mr. Ishaqzai bribed his way out of prison. He paid a lot — Afghan investigators suspect as much as $14 million, although people who know Mr. Ishaqzai say the figure was much lower. The cash went to a cross-section of people in the criminal justice system, according to Afghan and American officials.
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    Investigators say they are still trying to piece together what happened. But at its heart, the escape was fairly typical. For years, criminals and Taliban insurgents have been buying their way out of jail, for a fraction of what it cost Mr. Ishaqzai.

    The number of people set free through corruption is difficult to track, in part because judges often cover up bribes by requiring a letter — real or forged — from local elders saying the prisoner about to be released will renounce criminality. This makes it difficult to prove whether the judge was moved by mercy or cash.

    Still, there are times when the corruption becomes public. Days after a Taliban commander known as Fauji was released in October, he kidnapped the son and a cousin of the mayor of the community where he operated in Oruzgan Province. He demanded 1.8 million Pakistani rupees, or about $17,800, for ransom — exactly the amount he claimed to have paid in bribes. Wali Dad, the police chief for the district where Fauji operates, said that his officers had overheard Taliban fighters bragging on their radios about the number of corrupt officials they had paid off to release Fauji.

    “He said he had spent 1.8 million rupees on getting out of prison,” said the mayor, Abdul Rahman, who negotiated with Fauji over the phone for the release of his son and cousin. “He wanted to charge me that amount.”
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    Re: NATO flag lowered in Afghanistan as combat mission ends

    Taliban claim win as NATO quit Afghanistan
    https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/world/a/25876775/

    We have not been defeated. We have not signed any agreement with the United States to conclude the war, then where is the sense that America put an end to the war? This means that the US and its allies have been completely defeated and are fleeing from the battlefield," Taliban spokesman Zabiul Mujahid said.
    In a statement on Monday, the Taliban said that the withdrawal of ISAF showed that perhaps the countries that invaded the country finally realised that the mission in Afghanistan was "the most idiotic decision of modern history".

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