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    Re: AirAsia flight QZ8501 loses contact with air traffic control: reports

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Yes, there are a number of them.

    Heard it on CBC last night. They were not clear on how many airlines were banned from the EU due to safety records.
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    In the case of Indonesia, the Commission and the Air Safety Committee which is composed of all EU Member States heard three airlines at their request – Garuda, Mandala and Air Fast, along with the authorities for civil aviation of Indonesia. Following the unanimous opinion of the Air Safety Committee, the Commission decided that the Indonesian authorities have still not developed and implemented an efficient oversight programme on any of the carriers under their regulatory control. Besides, the corrective actions designed to address safety deficiencies detected by the ICAO and by the Commission, have not yet been assessed by ICAO.


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    PT. Indonesia AirAsia (operating as Indonesia AirAsia) is a low-cost airline based in Jakarta, Indonesia. It operates scheduled domestic, international services and is an Indonesian associate carrier of Malaysian low-fare airline AirAsia. Its main base is Soekarno-Hatta International Airport, Jakarta. Until July 2010, Indonesia Air Asia, along with many Indonesian airlines, was banned from flying to the EU due to safety concerns. However the ban was lifted on July 2010. As of 15 April 2009, all AirAsia domestic flights from Jakarta started operating from terminal 3 but the international flights continues to operate from terminal 2D. Prior to moving to T3, the airline flew from Terminal 1C. Indonesia AirAsia is listed in category 1 by Indonesian Civil Aviation Authority for airline safety quality. In 2011, this 100 percent Airbus airline dominated international market in Indonesia by 41.50 percent.
    But, Indonesia Air Aisa can't fly to Europe on A320's, no range. Now, Air Asia X, a different airline with a different cert, under the Air Asia name used to fly to Europe with A330's. Lots of airlines get this ban, but it is usually nothing too serious.
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    Re: AirAsia flight QZ8501 loses contact with air traffic control: reports

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    But, Indonesia Air Aisa can't fly to Europe on A320's, no range. Now, Air Asia X, a different airline with a different cert, under the Air Asia name used to fly to Europe with A330's. Lots of airlines get this ban, but it is usually nothing too serious.
    My opinion -They did not get banned for small reasons, minor slip ups. When you say lots, there are indeed a substantial number. From Eastern Europe to Africa to Asia.
    I assume these are based upon significant safety infractions, multiples, failure to implement procedures after failing inspections, not maintaining correct records of maintenance performed to a lack of maintenance.

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    Re: AirAsia flight QZ8501 loses contact with air traffic control: reports

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    My opinion -They did not get banned for small reasons, minor slip ups. When you say lots, there are indeed a substantial number. From Eastern Europe to Africa to Asia.
    I assume these are based upon significant safety infractions, multiples, failure to implement procedures after failing inspections, not maintaining correct records of maintenance performed to a lack of maintenance.
    Usually it has to do with training or incomplete MEL's. Anyway...they have been a good, well run airline for years, I never had any issue flying on them.
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    Re: AirAsia flight QZ8501 loses contact with air traffic control: reports

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    However, I still maintain that there is a good deal of culture that makes it's way into software and systems inherited there from the culture of the software and systems designers. True, not a specific part of the topic under discussion here, but that was my point.
    I cannot make this any more simple:

    There is no "big government vs small government" cultural difference in autopilot software.
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    Re: AirAsia flight QZ8501 loses contact with air traffic control: reports

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I cannot make this any more simple:

    There is no "big government vs small government" cultural difference in autopilot software.
    That's nice. But that's not what I was saying in my follow up posts. If you noticed, I agreed with you that the common sourcing of the autopilot systems eliminated that.
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    Re: AirAsia flight QZ8501 loses contact with air traffic control: reports

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Usually it has to do with training or incomplete MEL's. Anyway...they have been a good, well run airline for years, I never had any issue flying on them.
    Yes they have. i believe Air Asia has an excellent record, load at 52 % for break even, fastest turnaround time, more time for the AC in the air.
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    Re: AirAsia flight QZ8501 loses contact with air traffic control: reports

    Still no news, what an awful situation.

    My thoughts are with the passengers and families/friends waiting for news of their loved ones.
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    Re: AirAsia flight QZ8501 loses contact with air traffic control: reports

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    Re: AirAsia flight QZ8501 loses contact with air traffic control: reports

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    How can a flight just lose contact with air traffic control??
    It's very simple: they fall into the ocean and there is no more radar signature.

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