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    Re: NK did not hack sony, according to security experts

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Northern Light.

    North Korea is now the leading headline? North Korea? What's new with ISIS, or Al Qaeda, or AlShabaab, or many others? Nope, they've all been handled, right, so we don't need to worry about them any more. The ME is now peaceful, but North Korea is now the big problem du jour? Uh huh, okay. Thanks, MSM, for keeping us so well informed about world events. Fascinating to watch how they operate....
    Well one can only make the diwits in the mideast killing each other only so interesting so long. And there is a phenomenon known as outrage fatigue.

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    Re: NK did not hack sony, according to security experts

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolia View Post
    I don't believe they did either. I think Americans were just 'Grubered' again.

    It was just a gimmick to get people to go see a stupid movie that would've otherwise bombed.
    Doubtful. The stakes are too high to do something like that.

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    Re: NK did not hack sony, according to security experts

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Seriously?

    Read up on the gulf of Tonkin incident and see if the govt would prematurely condemn a country and then stay the course on it.
    Prematurely condemn North Korea? WTF?!

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    Re: NK did not hack sony, according to security experts

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    North Korea was NOT behind the Sony hack according to multiple security experts | Daily Mail Online



    If it was an inside job then it definitely would've been in the best interest of the FBI to blame it on a foreign enemy. If it was an inside job, what could this mean for internal security in the United States?

    I also find the Russia connection rather interesting.
    Lol, whatever makes you sleep at night.

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    Re: NK did not hack sony, according to security experts

    Do we really need an excuse to harass North Korea? It's the epitome of a country with no rights whatsoever.

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    Re: NK did not hack sony, according to security experts

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Well one can only make the diwits in the mideast killing each other only so interesting so long. And there is a phenomenon known as outrage fatigue.
    Greetings, Enigma001.

    Personally, I think we should be focusing on their individual egos. A little deadly competition between all contenders for supremacy should be encouraged to find the best leader in all the ME, and daily reports should be trumpeted by our MSM, much like that which is used in our Presidential elections. Routine stories about who made a big error in judgment; who seems to be the best liked at the time; who probably can't be trusted by their own people, who failed in an attempt to bomb something important; who has the most fervent followers, etc - IOW, smears! : That has been successful for a long time in this Country at election time, maybe it could be used to encourage them to do each other in. After that, they're on their own. It works in the rest of the world, maybe the dimwits could be encouraged to try it! We're already interfering, so what's the downside? The novelty alone would keep people interested!

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    Re: NK did not hack sony, according to security experts

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Several points:

    1. The private security experts did not necessarily have access to all of the information that the FBI and U.S. Intelligence sources had, (cyberspace and non-cyberspace e.g., possible intercepted communications).
    2. The FBI only revealed a small portion of the information that was reviewed by the U.S., with sensitive information that could compromise sources and methods of collection not released.
    3. The information that was not released may well have provided evidence that made it highly likely that North Korea did, in fact, organize the attack.
    4. North Korea has engaged in provocations and other acts of aggression on a repeated basis. It defies logic that North Korea would treat cyberspace as if it were some neutral ground.

    IMO, the U.S. acted appropriately in addressing this case. In doing so, it made an initial down payment on creating deterrence in cyberspace.
    You forgot the 5th and most important evidence that these "experts" are not really. Consider the source. The Daily Mail is full of hooey most of the time. I dismiss the whole thing as a publicity stunt.

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    Re: NK did not hack sony, according to security experts

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I don't question their expertise. Even experts, when examining a relatively small sample, can reach incorrect conclusions. That's because the sample in question wasn't representative. The largest amount of information--and more than just computer-related--remains classified. It is that information that provides a strong degree of confidence that North Korea was responsible. Launching the first retaliatory cyberattack is precedent-setting, and it is highly unlikely the U.S. would have done so or indicated it would do so (with a proportionate response) without fairly conclusive evidence.
    The U.S. government has been doing cyber attacks for years, albeit on a smaller scale.

    What this argument comes down to is whether or not you trust the word of the government. I personally don't, especially given the qualified doubts of the experts I've been reading. And as I said, normally I wouldn't trust Kim Jong-un, but even he is denying that NK did anything. Their IT network is not sophisticated enough to hack Sony. They would've either had help from a much more influential power, like China or Russia, or our government is doing the old bait and switch. After all, most people will believe Obama over Kim Jong, just as you do.

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    Re: NK did not hack sony, according to security experts

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Seriously?

    Read up on the gulf of Tonkin incident and see if the govt would prematurely condemn a country and then stay the course on it.
    Sure but, you go straight to such a wild explanation? You really think we'd do something like that now for what reason could possibly be important enough to warrant such a dangerous tactic? The story is already blown if that's the case and it'd be the most ridiculous false flag in history.

    You really think Obama and the FBI, CIA would try something like this with the right-wing already up his ass about things he didn't even do? Also with the torture issue on the table?

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    Re: NK did not hack sony, according to security experts

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Sure but, you go straight to such a wild explanation? You really think we'd do something like that now for what reason could possibly be important enough to warrant such a dangerous tactic? The story is already blown if that's the case and it'd be the most ridiculous false flag in history.

    You really think Obama and the FBI, CIA would try something like this with the right-wing already up his ass about things he didn't even do? Also with the torture issue on the table?
    You are the one going off the tin foil deep end, no one said false flag. Lets get the facts straight, in the gulf of Tonkin we honestly thought we were attacked and LBJ made a speech to the American public before all the facts were in and hours later when we knew the full story we choose to keep up the story to avoid embarrassment. This isnt some crazy conspiracy between Obama and the FBI like you are trying to make it out just Obama making bold statements before he knows all the facts, something he has had a problem with continually in his presidency since most of his intel seems to come from the news. Im not saying that is what happened in this case but its certainly not out of the realm of reality.

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