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Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

Your Star said:
Because you didn't have the internet to shed light on these types of stories back then. The fact is, we are nicer, more civil, and a safer society than we have ever been.
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This is also a good point. Imagine if the internet had been around during civil rights?
 
Kobie said:
The incidents of it happening are generally so isolated and rare that the only way they seem common is because when it happens, it hits the internet because it's good clickbait.

I'm not saying it's common; I'm just offering an explanation for why it happens when it does.
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Kobie, officer involved shootings are rare as well-and yet thats not the narrative presented. Its interesting you can apply this logic here, but not there.
 
whysoserious said:
What partisan hackery? By asserting that republicans also shop at Walmart?

You just ****ing said you shop there often. Use your head.

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Please someone post this into a hall of shame somewhere
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Your silly debate tactics might work on the more simple minded, but not me. I'm not going to waste my time with your silliness.
 
US Conservative said:
So you think its the retailers fault?:lol:
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From a larger societal issue? They have a hand in creating the environment of instant gratification. They provide it. When they take it away, people react. Doesn't mean it's the retailer's fault over specific actions: it's not. But the larger societal issue? They are part of creating it.
 
Your Star said:
Because you didn't have the internet to shed light on these types of stories back then. The fact is, we are nicer, more civil, and a safer society than we have ever been.
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I agree with that sentiment wholeheartedly. As a side story:

I've always wanted religious people to come to my door and admonish me for not following their beliefs, etc. One day last year, I got my wish: 2 Jehovah's Witnesses knocked on my door. They were extremely polite and simply asked:

"Don't you think the world is really looking bad lately?" (or something along the lines of the world going to ****)

And I responded, "No, I think it's as good as it's ever been if not the best. We are more peaceful, knowledgeable, less violent, etc, you just hear about it more now through the Internet and news". God damn I felt smart. And one of them responded:

"No, I mean the actual world, it's getting ruined by pollution and warming". I agreed, they gave me some literature and left, and I felt stupid and disappointed that they were so nice.
 
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Kobie said:
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Can you read?
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Kobie said:
Partly that; partly that in an effort to feed our growing consumerism, these retailers have basically made it so they're almost ALWAYS open and what people want is nearly ALWAYS accessible. The urge for instant gratification only can be sated if someone is there to instantly gratify.
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Yes. Did you write that? :2wave:
 
countryboy said:
Then why doesn't this happen everywhere?
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What would be your thoughts on it? And let's see if you can do it without any ideological attacks or comments.
 
whysoserious said:
The right will eventually realize Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck types were the worst thing to ever happen to them...
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Truth will come back to bite us on the ass, huh ?

How's that work ?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
From a larger societal issue? They have a hand in creating the environment of instant gratification. They provide it. When they take it away, people react. Doesn't mean it's the retailer's fault over specific actions: it's not. But the larger societal issue? They are part of creating it.
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No-its the thugs that decided to get "unruly" who are to blame.
 
US Conservative said:
Kobie, officer involved shootings are rare as well-and yet thats not the narrative presented. Its interesting you can apply this logic here, but not there.
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Oh man, great point.
 
Kobie said:
What part of "partly" didn't register?
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part·ly
ˈpärtlē/Submit
adverb
to some extent; not completely.
"the result is partly a matter of skill and partly of chance"
synonyms: to a certain extent/degree, to some extent/degree, in part, partially, a little, somewhat, not totally, not entirely, relatively, moderately, (up) to a point, in some measure, slightly
"I admit I am partly responsible"

So what you are saying is that to some extent the retailer is to blame. Fascinating.
 
US Conservative said:
So what you are saying is that to some extent the retailer is to blame. Fascinating.
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To some extent, retailers are responsible for fostering the culture of rampant consumerism. Yes. Please try to take the entire conversation into perspective before you begin accusing me of saying that the retailers are wholly responsible for misbehaving mobs at their stores.
 
US Conservative said:
No-its the thugs that decided to get "unruly" who are to blame.
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And I said that. And you ignored everything else that I wrote which challenged your comment. Have anything to say about it?
 
Kobie said:
To some extent, retailers are responsible for fostering the culture of rampant consumerism. Yes. Please try to take the entire conversation into perspective before you begin accusing me of saying that the retailers are wholly responsible for misbehaving mobs at their stores.
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What an odd debate. People want convenience and they want the most (product/service) for the least money. And if a retailer has the technical means to meet that demand and still make a profit, well guess what, they're going to.
 
US Conservative said:
part·ly
ˈpärtlē/Submit
adverb
to some extent; not completely.
"the result is partly a matter of skill and partly of chance"
synonyms: to a certain extent/degree, to some extent/degree, in part, partially, a little, somewhat, not totally, not entirely, relatively, moderately, (up) to a point, in some measure, slightly
"I admit I am partly responsible"

So what you are saying is that to some extent the retailer is to blame. Fascinating.
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No, that's NOT what he's saying. He was clear. So was I. The incident described in the OP is NOT the retailer's fault. It is the fault of those who tried to enter the store. The LARGER SOCIETAL issue has responsibility going all around, including that of the retail industry... as was explained a few times in a few ways.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I did in post #21. I see the enhancements that technology has brought to us as being a major reason for difficulty in delaying gratification that many people have.
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I reviewed post #21; is that your observation in toto ?


Thom Paine
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
This is also a good point. Imagine if the internet had been around during civil rights?
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People think the protesters and police reaction towards this recent crop of protests is bad, the stuff that went on back in the 60's is down right horrendous. Think of what would be popping up on Twitter and Youtube back then if they had access to that technology.
 
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US Conservative said:
But this wasn't "rampant consumerism" it was thuggish behavior. You make a logic jump that isn't there.
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This is hopeless.

People wanted what they wanted when they wanted it. Wal-Mart was unable to oblige. "Thuggish behavior" ensued.

Let me guess, all liberals' fault, amirite?
 
Thom Paine said:
I reviewed post #21; is that your observation in toto ?


Thom Paine
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My initial one, yes, though I think that Kobie's description of how consumerism has played a part in this also has merit and combines nicely with my assessment.

What do you think?
 
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