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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What people commonly argue as an alternative is to have a living wage. That however doesn't really determine value, but instead determines what people need to meet their needs and the needs of their dependents. It's just a cold economic calculation, not an actual look at what people are willing to buy and sell something for.
    Agreed. And I don't know if that's a viable option or not. I'm mostly here to just constantly poke, prod, and bitch about the current system.
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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Liberals do.
    Yeah, you know those evil liberals who go around telling kids to give up on their hopes and dreams.
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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I didn't expect a serious response and didn't get one.
    maybe you shouldn't use such boilerplate talking point blather, and you might get some better replies...

    Right, property taxes which are paid by poor people either directly or as part of their rent. In my area, local sales taxes fund schools, and those are around 3% per dollar of taxable purchases, which are most purchases for poor people. So it's not a load of crap - it's pointing out the FACT that poor people pay a significant share of their income in taxes. And pretending they don't is just a load of crap by people who want to show their contempt for working poor....

    Contempt? not at all...Hell, I used to be the epitome of 'working poor'.... Hell, at one point the Church gave us Thanksgiving dinner, and that was all we had in the house...So don't tell me...Those "poor people" you speak of also have things like EIC's on their taxes at the end of the year, that all but ensure that not only do they get whatever they paid in income taxes back, but an additional couple thousand as the credit...So, in terms of net taxes paid, they don't, they in fact get money back, or more welfare if you will.
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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Yeah, you know those evil liberals who go around telling kids to give up on their hopes and dreams.
    There is Hope that you will Change
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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    There is Hope that you will Change
    Hold your breath, maybe it'll happen.
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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Hold your breath, maybe it'll happen.
    I know better...
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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The exceptions might do so, but expecting everyone to bootstrap themselves to riches when they have neither boots nor straps is cruel far beyond being unrealistic.
    Nobody is bootstrapping to riches in one go but they can make their life incrementally better by just putting in the time and effort to do so.
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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I would usually write off a statement like this as hackery, but really, the Ayn Rand philosophy teaches the literal "virtue of selfishness." Liberalism is a collectivist philosophy, whereas modern conservatives favor individualism over the collective.

    I would argue self importance falls under individualism, not collectivism. No responsibility to anybody but yourself is not collectivism, but more of an individualist mindset.

    I am not going to argue these people are liberal or conservative. I am just pointing out the flaws in your post.
    Individualism also promotes personal responsibility... One is responsible for ones own actions, individual politeness/class/golden rule all fall under this, otherwise you are viewed as rude/etc. and deserve whatever is coming to you.

    collectivism promotes collective responsibility... a group is responsible for it's actions, i.e. Walmart, was infringing MY ability to shop when I WANT TO, and I am the collective because other people are mad too.... it's always convenient to be a part of the collective. The collective never minds putting blame on groups whatever it deems not right or advantaged... thus the individual is never to blame, but the collective blamed group is.

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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah, you know I grew up what many would call a somewhat privileged childhood...Father that owned his own business, went to private schools, yet still managed to throw it all down the tubes, and take the hardest possible path....My Dad was very old fashioned, and as a result, when I made the choices I made, in his eyes, I was a man, so I was on my own...Still, even though I had some, hell, a lot of really tough times, I managed to catch on, and make a respectful living, own a home, and send my kids to college...It can be done....I learned when I stopped thinking that the world owed me something, I did better.
    Whereas I did it the other way, I worked hard, I chose to go to a private school and I worked hard to pay for it myself. I went to college and paid every red cent of it out of my own pocket. I worked multiple jobs while going to school full time, I sacrificed because I knew what was important and I ended up being a lot better off than my parents ever were. It can be done because I did it. Of course, the liberals don't want to hear that...
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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Agreed. And I don't know if that's a viable option or not. I'm mostly here to just constantly poke, prod, and bitch about the current system.
    Because you have no actual solutions of your own.
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