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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The person born in poverty with poor life chances, education and family support of course!
    I hope we don't tell our youth that nonsense. "you don't have a chance, so don't try"
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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Equality in outcome is a pipe dream.
    I was going to say something similar until I saw yours. Equality of outcome is irrational and wholly unrealistic. Equality of opportunity, where everyone has an opportunity to make good life choices and better their lives, is the only thing that makes sense. Sure, you won't be able to go from poverty to a billionaire in one go, that's stupid to expect, but to make your life better and to make your children's lives even better than that is a wholly realistic and achievable goal. Unfortunately, you get the whiny liberals who think that because they can't be a billionaire, why even bother trying at all, give me a government check.
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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    There is a non sequitur/straw man combo if I've ever seen one.



    It's bad because it's bad and it will always be bad.

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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I hope we don't tell our youth that nonsense. "you don't have a chance, so don't try"
    Liberals do.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I find it hard to believe that a large portion of the population has no skills.



    I don't have the answers, I just don't believe the free market is infallible and I think history is my side with that.
    What people commonly argue as an alternative is to have a living wage. That however doesn't really determine value, but instead determines what people need to meet their needs and the needs of their dependents. It's just a cold economic calculation, not an actual look at what people are willing to buy and sell something for.

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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, yes...We can print more and more money...At some point, I can just raid the Monopoly game for funds too....
    I didn't expect a serious response and didn't get one.

    As for schools, most of the funds come from property taxes locally, but this meme about those paying sales taxes, gas, and others, is just a feel good load of crap to make non producers feel better.
    Right, property taxes which are paid by poor people either directly or as part of their rent. In my area, local sales taxes fund schools, and those are around 3% per dollar of taxable purchases, which are most purchases for poor people. So it's not a load of crap - it's pointing out the FACT that poor people pay a significant share of their income in taxes. And pretending they don't is just a load of crap by people who want to show their contempt for working poor....

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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yet people rise from that all the time, people improve their situation all the time, it's a choice. That people make bad choices is no one's fault but their own.
    The exceptions might do so, but expecting everyone to bootstrap themselves to riches when they have neither boots nor straps is cruel far beyond being unrealistic.
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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I was going to say something similar until I saw yours. Equality of outcome is irrational and wholly unrealistic. Equality of opportunity, where everyone has an opportunity to make good life choices and better their lives, is the only thing that makes sense. Sure, you won't be able to go from poverty to a billionaire in one go, that's stupid to expect, but to make your life better and to make your children's lives even better than that is a wholly realistic and achievable goal. Unfortunately, you get the whiny liberals who think that because they can't be a billionaire, why even bother trying at all, give me a government check.
    Yeah, you know I grew up what many would call a somewhat privileged childhood...Father that owned his own business, went to private schools, yet still managed to throw it all down the tubes, and take the hardest possible path....My Dad was very old fashioned, and as a result, when I made the choices I made, in his eyes, I was a man, so I was on my own...Still, even though I had some, hell, a lot of really tough times, I managed to catch on, and make a respectful living, own a home, and send my kids to college...It can be done....I learned when I stopped thinking that the world owed me something, I did better.
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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I find it hard to believe that a large portion of the population has no skills.



    I don't have the answers, I just don't believe the free market is infallible and I think history is my side with that.

    not hard to believe at all when you consider that 3 million kids a year are dropping out of high school

    now, out of those...some will earn a skill in the trades

    or become a decent salesperson

    but the majority will never go to another school....never apprentice to a trade.....never increase their marketable skills in todays world

    sad.....but true
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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The exceptions might do so, but expecting everyone to bootstrap themselves to riches when they have neither boots nor straps is cruel far beyond being unrealistic.
    Those that do though, should damned well use them instead of waiting for the rest of us to do it for them.
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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