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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    So historically, labor rates were always correct?
    If they aren't then competition ensures that either that business that is paying low wages either comes up, or can't get workers...No workers, no business.
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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

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    There's no such thing as fairness without equality. Since people have different skills and different levels of ability, they are not all equal, hence it is absurd to pretend that it is fair to anyone to just expect them all to make the same amount of money, regardless of their skills.
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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    If they aren't then competition ensures that either that business that is paying low wages either comes up, or can't get workers...No workers, no business.
    So historically labor rates have always been correct?
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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    That's true. Slave labor is a choice. Pass the word on.
    That's why I specified agreement. We don't do slavery, you're just trying to cast things in emotional terms. If someone agrees to work for nothing, which is how internships work, I might note, that's entirely up to them, but they can't come back later and complain because it was their own personal choice.
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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Sure, but all reports today are that those collecting their SS benefits will exceed what they paid in a few times over. That comes from future contributors, at some point it will go broke, then what?
    Social security can be "fixed" relatively easy for the indefinite future. Most of the current problem is the stagnation/decline in wages for the bottom half or so, but even with that, we don't have a big SS problem other than the political will to make a couple of unpleasant choices - slightly higher taxes and/or slightly lower benefits.

    Who the heck ever told you that education was free? It is paid for through property, and other taxes. Now I understand with nearly half the country not paying any net taxes, and if you are in that part of the country then people like me are paying your share.
    Where did you get the idea half the country pays no net taxes? Even those who don't pay federal INCOME taxes spend almost all their money on sales taxable items, and so pay sales taxes (in my area of 9.25%), which fund schools, and they pay real estate taxes either directly or as part of their rent which directly fund schools, and pay a portion of the income taxes of the businesses they purchase from, etc. And of course most pay about 15% in payroll taxes, gas taxes, other excise taxes (phone etc.) and more.

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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That's why I specified agreement. We don't do slavery, you're just trying to cast things in emotional terms. If someone agrees to work for nothing, which is how internships work, I might note, that's entirely up to them, but they can't come back later and complain because it was their own personal choice.
    Slave labor does not have to be forced labor. Sweat shops are a form of slave labor.
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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    So historically labor rates have always been correct?
    Hard to say since we haven't had a free market in such since minimum wage laws went into effect. Over all though, I'd say No, but like I say, that is because largely the government sets a false floor.
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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    So historically, labor rates were always correct?
    I'm not sure how else you determine the value of what you're selling. If I claim my product is worth a grand but people are only willing to buy it for ten bucks my claim doesn't seem to have any sort of relation to the real world. What things are worth are determined by consumers, not by producers. The same is true for anything you sell. If you sell your labor and employers are only willing to give you eight bucks an hour then that is what your labor is worth. It doesn't matter if you think your labor is worth fifteen bucks an hour because no one agrees with you.

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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Slave labor does not have to be forced labor. Sweat shops are a form of slave labor.
    No, they're not.

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    Re: Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm not sure how else you determine the value of what you're selling. If I claim my product is worth a grand but people are only willing to buy it for ten bucks my claim doesn't seem to have any sort of relation to the real world. What things are worth are determined by consumers, not by producers. The same is true for anything you sell. If you sell your labor and employers are only willing to give you eight bucks an hour then that is what your labor is worth. It doesn't matter if you think your labor is worth fifteen bucks an hour because no one agrees with you.
    I guess where I disagree is that just because the market puts a value on something, that doesn't necessarily make that value correct.
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