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Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol[W:649]

Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

This isn't about yelling "Fire, Fire."

It's about individuals AND their communities having the right to free speech, that your Neo-Com friends in the courts took away.

For course local schools and courthouses and state captials had the right to pray and to have religious displays for over a hundred years before these rights were stripped away.

If a boss or business owner wants to preach Jesus or Buddah or Mohammad---let them. A worker can go elsewhere, and the public can boycott their products or services.

This kind of freedom folks such as you can never accept or tolerate.

Heh, heh...."Neo-Com".... I get it....
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

We can't have injuns discriminated against---cause I'm 1/64th injun myself.

ok...?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

If so, then your president is supporting criminal behavior by decline to enforce whatever federal criminal statutes he doesn't like. Isn't it Comrade Obama and his lackey of an Attorney General who are always singing the praises of prosecutorial discretion?

IOW, you're opposed to criminal behavior when the President (or someone else you don't like) does it but you're OK with criminal behavior when you don't dislike the criminal

And that refutes what I said....how?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

In their own businesses, they can do whatever they want and anyone who wants to go find somewhere else to shop is welcome to. Nobody is required by law to go to those shops. School is a different thing, kids aren't there by choice, they can't just opt to go somewhere else, they have to go to school and therefore, people can't do whatever they want.

And I'm about the farthest thing from a neo-con as you can get. Don't be an ass.

Our kids have a choice. One likes private Christian school, and the other like public. Many people choose to homeschool or have small community schools among their friends. I just hate that 1/2 my property taxes go to schools I don't have full use of---but I deal with it.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Our kids have a choice. One likes private Christian school, and the other like public. Many people choose to homeschool or have small community schools among their friends. I just hate that 1/2 my property taxes go to schools I don't have full use of---but I deal with it.

Too bad. An educated populace benefits society, it isn't all about you, it's about the betterment of society overall, from which you personally benefit.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Too bad. An educated populace benefits society, it isn't all about you, it's about the betterment of society overall, from which you personally benefit.

Keeping the Feds out of public education would be the greatest benefit.

This would require each community themselves to fund and run and be accountable for their children's schooling.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Keeping the Feds out of public education would be the greatest benefit.

This would require each community themselves to fund and run and be accountable for their children's schooling.

And how is that? Please explain how letting people teach whatever the hell they want to teach is a benefit to society as a whole? You don't want to spend money paying for schools you don't use, apparently you have no problem spending money for social services for people who never got any useful education at all or learned any worthwhile job skills.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

And how is that? Please explain how letting people teach whatever the hell they want to teach is a benefit to society as a whole? You don't want to spend money paying for schools you don't use, apparently you have no problem spending money for social services for people who never got any useful education at all or learned any worthwhile job skills.
What is the problem with "letting people teach whatever the hell they want to teach"?

It may prevent or forestall the current dumbing down of society. The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America, Revised and Abridged Edition: Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt: 9780966707113: Amazon.com: Books
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Our kids have a choice. One likes private Christian school, and the other like public. Many people choose to homeschool or have small community schools among their friends. I just hate that 1/2 my property taxes go to schools I don't have full use of---but I deal with it.

A good portion of my taxes pay for roads that I never drive on. So it goes.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Keeping the Feds out of public education would be the greatest benefit.

This would require each community themselves to fund and run and be accountable for their children's schooling.

My issue with this is that we would end up in a "race to the bottom" in many cases. If communities aren't held to a base standard, they will short-change the schools and kids won't get a good education. There are some very poor communities that need state and federal money.

Or in some communities, they wouldn't be taught science or art or some other subject, based on the biases of that community.

Local school boards have a lot of control as is; but we need feds to ensure fairness across the country, at least at a base level.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

My issue with this is that we would end up in a "race to the bottom" in many cases. If communities aren't held to a base standard, they will short-change the schools and kids won't get a good education. There are some very poor communities that need state and federal money.

Or in some communities, they wouldn't be taught science or art or some other subject, based on the biases of that community.

Local school boards have a lot of control as is; but we need feds to ensure fairness across the country, at least at a base level.

Kids aren't getting a good education now. So your solution is to maintain the status quo?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

IOW, you're opposed to criminal behavior when the President (or someone else you don't like) does it but you're OK with criminal behavior when you don't dislike the criminal

And that refutes what I said....how?

Are you suggesting that prosecutorial discretion is somehow criminal? Since when? Or do you only think it's criminal when someone other than the Marxist liar who is disgracing the White House uses it? He and his Attoney General are great proponents of prosecutorial discretion.

Oh--and may all devil worshippers go straight to hell, where they belong. I hope more people do just what that lady did, and get themselves arrested. And then we will see if any prosecutor's office is willing to bring charges, and if it does, if any jury will convict.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Are you suggesting that prosecutorial discretion is somehow criminal? Since when? Or do you only think it's criminal when someone other than the Marxist liar who is disgracing the White House uses it? He and his Attoney General are great proponents of prosecutorial discretion.

Oh--and may all devil worshippers go straight to hell, where they belong. I hope more people do just what that lady did, and get themselves arrested. And then we will see if any prosecutor's office is willing to bring charges, and if it does, if any jury will convict.

So.....you support breaking the law based on your own morality?

Why are you so unamerican?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

If our own government in Congress is allowed to pray, then so should local institutions like public shcools.
Guess what, they are. So much for your knowledge of the topic.

Liberal court rulings are an insane interpretation of seperation of church and state and the 14th due process clause.
How would you know other than repeating some talking point?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

What exactly is bad about (you already discussed section 1)

2. the right to vote
3. senators only having one job
4. the country's credit rating

?
You don't expect a real answer do you?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Kids aren't getting a good education now. So your solution is to maintain the status quo?

Kids in my town are getting a good education. Many kids in many public schools are getting a good education.

There are places where kids aren't getting a good education. That has nothing to do with the federal government. It's a combination of a lot of factors.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Kids in my town are getting a good education. Many kids in many public schools are getting a good education.

There are places where kids aren't getting a good education. That has nothing to do with the federal government. It's a combination of a lot of factors.

Yeah, it's always 1000 shades of grey when something goes against the narrative....Right?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

And how is that? Please explain how letting people teach whatever the hell they want to teach is a benefit to society as a whole? You don't want to spend money paying for schools you don't use, apparently you have no problem spending money for social services for people who never got any useful education at all or learned any worthwhile job skills.

From an economic standpoint, how foolish would it be waste tax funds and resources on a school in a ghostown? By the same measure why pump in tax money into an economically depressed area such as an inner city wasteland if the locals there do not properly care for and maintain the structures, or allow the funds to be mismanaged? The billions of tax monies dumped into such places has not made them better than they were 50 years ago. Forcing the residents of each school district to be fully accountable is the only was to bring about positive change.

As far as cirriculum goes, the majority rules. If our leaders want more and more Muslims in the country, then there should be more Islamic controlled neighborhoods and cities that can rightfully teach Islamic doctrine to the children. (Isn't multiculturalism great!?) Same thing for majority Christian areas, if the majority want school prayer and intelligent design allowed in their schools---so be it. Same thing goes for Godless areas populated by atheists and pagans (San Fransciso, Greenwich Village, etc.)---they can righfully expunge all religion and teach only socialistic views.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

My issue with this is that we would end up in a "race to the bottom" in many cases. If communities aren't held to a base standard, they will short-change the schools and kids won't get a good education. There are some very poor communities that need state and federal money.

Or in some communities, they wouldn't be taught science or art or some other subject, based on the biases of that community.

Local school boards have a lot of control as is; but we need feds to ensure fairness across the country, at least at a base level.

Yes, many would begin a quick trip to the bottom---but so many schools have had millions wasted and are already at the bottom. Throwing money at the poor has never worked as long as results haven't been demanded.

Fairness = social justice = socialism/communism. The only way to get real change is to force each area of America be in full charge of their own students. It IS their fault.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Guess what, they are. So much for your knowledge of the topic.

How would you know other than repeating some talking point?

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

In two landmark decisions, Engel v. Vitale (1962) and Abington School District v. Schempp (1963), the US Supreme Court established what is now the current prohibition on state-sponsored prayer in schools. While the Engel decision held that the promulgation of an official state-school prayer stood in violation of the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause (thus overruling the New York Courts’ decisions), Abington held that Bible readings and other (state) school-sponsored religious activities were prohibited.[7] Following these two cases came the Court's decision in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), a ruling that established the Lemon test for religious activities within schools. The Lemon test states that in order to be constitutional under the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment any practice sponsored within state run schools (or other public, state sponsored activities) must adhere to the following three criteria:[8]
1.Have a secular purpose;
2.Must neither advance nor inhibit religion; and
3.Must not result in an excessive entanglement between government and religion.
School prayer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

From an economic standpoint, how foolish would it be waste tax funds and resources on a school in a ghostown? By the same measure why pump in tax money into an economically depressed area such as an inner city wasteland if the locals there do not properly care for and maintain the structures, or allow the funds to be mismanaged? The billions of tax monies dumped into such places has not made them better than they were 50 years ago. Forcing the residents of each school district to be fully accountable is the only was to bring about positive change.

As far as cirriculum goes, the majority rules. If our leaders want more and more Muslims in the country, then there should be more Islamic controlled neighborhoods and cities that can rightfully teach Islamic doctrine to the children. (Isn't multiculturalism great!?) Same thing for majority Christian areas, if the majority want school prayer and intelligent design allowed in their schools---so be it. Same thing goes for Godless areas populated by atheists and pagans (San Fransciso, Greenwich Village, etc.)---they can righfully expunge all religion and teach only socialistic views.
Yea after all the goal is to produce more ignorant religious zealots, yes?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

In two landmark decisions, Engel v. Vitale (1962) and Abington School District v. Schempp (1963), the US Supreme Court established what is now the current prohibition on state-sponsored prayer in schools. While the Engel decision held that the promulgation of an official state-school prayer stood in violation of the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause (thus overruling the New York Courts’ decisions), Abington held that Bible readings and other (state) school-sponsored religious activities were prohibited.[7] Following these two cases came the Court's decision in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), a ruling that established the Lemon test for religious activities within schools. The Lemon test states that in order to be constitutional under the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment any practice sponsored within state run schools (or other public, state sponsored activities) must adhere to the following three criteria:[8]
1.Have a secular purpose;
2.Must neither advance nor inhibit religion; and
3.Must not result in an excessive entanglement between government and religion.
School prayer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Other than the fact the all involve the Establishment Clause, the Court's older decisions on school prayer that you cite don't have all that much to do with its decisions on religious displays in the public square. The Court did apply the Lemon test thirty years ago in Lynch v. Donnelly, it which it upheld a creche against an Establishment Clause challenge. But at least three justices--Kennedy, Scalia, and Thomas--have not seemed inclined to use the Lemon test in more recent cases.
 
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