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Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol[W:649]

Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

The people of Florida never should have allowed the bastards to place the damned display in the State Capitol in the first place. Satanists can all go to hell.
And yet another display of tolerance...
 
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If you support the ACLU then you don't support the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. The second-most important individual right, the 2nd Amendment, has never, ever been defended by the ACLU. Radical Liberals and communists have no real tolerance for such rights.

Let's see who is the most communist. How many of the 10 tenets of Communism do you support?

I only support the idea of a Central Bank with a state currency.
So anyone who hasn't filed a lawsuit on behalf of the 2nd amendment is a communist, according to your highly developed understanding of economic positions?
 
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When you answer my earlier question, I will engage yours.

And still you won't answer a straight question....Why is that so hard for you mouse?

Maybe for the same reason it is hard for you to answer all the questions you have dodged

or maybe not
 
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Those were all part of the plan of diversion.
Just a suggestion, but have you tried to replace the tin foil with the more advanced coated mylar. It far more comfortable and just as effective...
 
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I don't believe anything in the First Amendment requires any government to recognize any nonsense at all as a religion. The notion that we have to let every bunch of nuts that comes down the pike do whatever they please, in the name of tolerance, is crap. The fact is these nuts are hostile to Christianity and pull stunts like this one as part of a strategy of purging it from this country's public life through intimidation. They get some lawyer and threaten to sue if their demands are not met, and all too often, the locals lose their guts and give in to the threat, rather than spend the money to fight it out in court.

The Supreme Court's decisions on religious displays in public places are complex and not particularly coherent, but they make clear that not every single group that claims to be religious has to be accommodated, in every situation. Pleasant Grove City, Utah, v. Summum, for example, a 2009 decision, concerned the right of the Summum religion to put up in a city park a monument containing the "Seven Aphorisms of Summum." The monument was to be similar physically to a monument containing the Ten Commandments that the Fraternal Order of Eagles had put up in the park several decades earlier.

Pleasant Grove didn't want the damned thing in its park--and it got its way. The Court held that the city's decisions about which monuments to accept for display in the park were government speech, and as such not a First Amendment concern. The city was free to accept or reject a private monument for display as it pleased, as long as it could not reasonably be seen as endorsing a religion by accepting a particular monument.

NO matter how many BS words you post, it won't change the fact that this woman damaged property that didn't belong to her which is vandalism

You are supporting criminal behavior because you like the religion of the perpetrator
 
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If you support the ACLU then you don't support the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. The second-most important individual right, the 2nd Amendment, has never, ever been defended by the ACLU. Radical Liberals and communists have no real tolerance for such rights.

Let's see who is the most communist. How many of the 10 tenets of Communism do you support?

I only support the idea of a Central Bank with a state currency.

At this point, we are totally off-topic for the op.

Here is ACLU's stance re 2nd amendment (which has plenty of groups to defend it, it doesn't need the ACLU, but here is their position):
FAQs | ACLU of Ohio
The ACLU has often been criticized for “ignoring the Second Amendment,” and refusing to fight for an individual’s right to own a gun or other weapons. The ACLU, however, has not ignored this issue. The national ACLU Board of Directors has in fact discussed the civil liberties aspects of the Second Amendment many times. We believe that the constitutional right to bear arms is primarily a collective one, intended mainly to protect the right of the states to maintain militias to assure their own freedom and security against the central government. In today’s world, that idea is somewhat anachronistic and in any case would require weapons much more powerful than handguns or hunting rifles. The ACLU therefore believes that the Second Amendment does not confer an unlimited right upon individuals to own guns or other weapons nor does it prohibit reasonable regulation of gun ownership, such as licensing and registration.

They have, though, defended the free speech of 2nd amendment supporters -
https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/aclu-files-suit-protect-free-speech-rights-second-amendment-advocate

You are wrong, sir, to say that the ACLU and I do not support the constitution and bill of rights. Agreeing or disagreeing with some of the positions of communists doesn't make me a communist anymore than agreeing or disagreeing with some of the positions of the republican party makes me republican. (If you look at the mid-50s Republican plank, I actually agree with most of it. Yet I'm not a republican). But yes, I agree with a graduated income tax; that people should all work if they are able; that kids should have a free education and that we shouldn't allow child labor; and that "waste lands" should be rehabilitated and put to use - perhaps as parks, perhaps as farmland. Makes sense - if we have ruined the soil, we should repair it. And I am in favor of inheritance taxes. Call me whatever label you like; will have no impact on me because I value your opinion not at all at this point.

And now I will no longer veer this far off-topic on this thread. I apologize to all I have offended by going off-topic.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

And yet another display of tolerance...

Not every act that every person engages in should be tolerated, just because they claim it is an expression of their religious beliefs. If, say at Christmas time, some cult that believes in torturing infants to death as a sacrifice to its god wants to put up a public display depicting one of its rituals, nothing requires the people who live there to allow it.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Not every act that every person engages in should be tolerated, just because they claim it is an expression of their religious beliefs. If, say at Christmas time, some cult that believes in torturing infants to death as a sacrifice to its god wants to put up a public display depicting one of its rituals, nothing requires the people who live there to allow it.
Well duh.

There are limitations to religious freedom. Your own religion disagreeing with someone else's religion isn't one of them.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Not every act that every person engages in should be tolerated, just because they claim it is an expression of their religious beliefs. If, say at Christmas time, some cult that believes in torturing infants to death as a sacrifice to its god wants to put up a public display depicting one of its rituals, nothing requires the people who live there to allow it.

I mean, if you're actually going to sacrifice an infant, sure. Did this display include the the sacrifice of infants?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

A) citation needed regarding 90% of ACLU cases "defending communists."

B) You either didn't read or didn't comprehend the "association fallacy" link I included because your post is still limited to that.

Association fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

C) the separation of church and state is hardly a "poor excuse" considering the wins the ACLU has made using it.

I don't have a full week to go over the thousands of ACLU cases and postions of all the state ACLU chapters. However, given the full record of ACLU's major cases over the decades, the defense of communists into the 1950's was a major aim of the ACLU. Contrast that to the one famous case of them allowing the Nazis to march in Skokie.

American Civil Liberties Union.

The prime objectives of the ACLU are:

Removing Christian faith from any government entity.

Allowing free speech of individuals as long as they can in no way be linked to the above---so isn't really advocating freedom of speech.

Promotion of homosexaulity---absoultely contraray to Biblical laws.

https://www.aclu.org/aclu-defense-religious-practice-and-expression

However, in addition to the 2nd Amendment, the ACLU has not given any attention to:

VI Demanding a speedy trial---as the ACLU enjoys the current 15 year delay and endless appeals that most death row imates enjoy before they are executed.

VIII By even thinking cruel and unusual punishment is anything other than what the Founders said it was in 1787.

IX and X. With the ACLU not beliving that local and state governments are not offered the same protections as citizens.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Anything they damn well please...

Another absolutely scintillating contribution to this thread. Thank you so much. :yawn:
 
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yeah, i don't see the founders tearing up random stuff...

they were more civilized than that lady

I think Jefferson, Madison and Hamilton would have personally put tar and feathers on any Satanist putting up a satanic display on their city property.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

I don't have a full week to go over the thousands of ACLU cases and postions of all the state ACLU chapters. However, given the full record of ACLU's major cases over the decades, the defense of communists into the 1950's was a major aim of the ACLU. Contrast that to the one famous case of them allowing the Nazis to march in Skokie.

American Civil Liberties Union.

The prime objectives of the ACLU are:

Removing Christian faith from any government entity.

Allowing free speech of individuals as long as they can in no way be linked to the above---so isn't really advocating freedom of speech.

Promotion of homosexaulity---absoultely contraray to Biblical laws.

https://www.aclu.org/aclu-defense-religious-practice-and-expression

However, in addition to the 2nd Amendment, the ACLU has not given any attention to:

VI Demanding a speedy trial---as the ACLU enjoys the current 15 year delay and endless appeals that most death row imates enjoy before they are executed.

VIII By even thinking cruel and unusual punishment is anything other than what the Founders said it was in 1787.

IX and X. With the ACLU not beliving that local and state governments are not offered the same protections as citizens.
If you're making up figures, we're going to have even more trouble having an adult conversation with you already making up definitions too.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

I think Jefferson, Madison and Hamilton would have personally put tar and feathers on any Satanist putting up a satanic display on their city property.

Meh, there's evidence that Jefferson was an atheist, so perhaps not. Which is to the point that this is just supposition and we can't made decisions in the modern era on the supposition of what the founders may have done. There's a lot to learn from the teachings and warnings of the Founders, but we can't pretend to know anymore than what they had recorded.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Not every act that every person engages in should be tolerated, just because they claim it is an expression of their religious beliefs. If, say at Christmas time, some cult that believes in torturing infants to death as a sacrifice to its god wants to put up a public display depicting one of its rituals, nothing requires the people who live there to allow it.
The usuals are complaining more about a woman damaging a tribute to Satan than they are about this. There's something about 'idle hands' going on here. Ferguson Protesters Chant: 'Deck The Halls With Rows Of Dead Cops' - Fox Nation
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

I think Jefferson, Madison and Hamilton would have personally put tar and feathers on any Satanist putting up a satanic display on their city property.

unsubstantiated

"But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. " - Jefferson
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Well duh.

There are limitations to religious freedom. Your own religion disagreeing with someone else's religion isn't one of them.
Who decides on these limitations?
 
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Who decides on these limitations?

Ideally the limitation to rights is that they may not infringe upon the rights of others. So while, for instance, Satanists can put up a display of their own on public grounds they cannot simultaneously block other religious displays or burn down a church.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Ideally the limitation to rights is that they may not infringe upon the rights of others. So while, for instance, Satanists can put up a display of their own on public grounds they cannot simultaneously block other religious displays or burn down a church.
Unrepresented may have had other limitations in mind, not the simple infringements you mention.
 
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