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Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol[W:649]

Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

It depends on where you put it. I have one displayed in my home at Christmas every year: it's a very old one too. But I don't go next door and insist that they have one as well. Nor do I pester the mayor to get one set up at city hall.

What? wait, How in the heck does having a nativity scene at city hall force you to have one at your house? And who "pestered" the Mayor? Was the Mayor of Tallahassee being 'pestered' to put one up? And do you have a link showing this?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

I don't know who else took offense

If you don't know of anyone who took offense, why did you ask so many times about why people were taking offense?

No, I don't really think that the nativity offends those that say it does, as much as it makes them feel guilty. So they act out like undisciplined children.

It's clear that you claimed that there were people who said they were offended so why are you now saying that you don't know of anyone who took offense?
 
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If you don't know of anyone who took offense, why did you ask so many times about why people were taking offense?

sangha, It is clear now that you have no intention of either being civil, or having a real discussion on the matter, so I will just leave you with a Happy Holidays, and leave it at that with you. I thought we could have a discussion about this but you seem to want that to go only one direction, and that is not how I view a conversation....So, I'll move on.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

sangha, It is clear now that you have no intention of either being civil, or having a real discussion on the matter,


How could you think we could have a discussion when you make dishonest claims you are unwilling to back up with facts?

You claim that you don't know of anyone who has been offended by the displays, even though you have claimed that there are people who are offended. You even accused another poster of being offended

Y But what offends you about seeing a nativity scene? Or a Buddha? Or Mohammad?

But when challenged, all you can do is post a dishonest response (that you don't know of anyone who has been offended by the displays) and then run away.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

What? wait, How in the heck does having a nativity scene at city hall force you to have one at your house? And who "pestered" the Mayor? Was the Mayor of Tallahassee being 'pestered' to put one up? And do you have a link showing this?

You're completely misreading what I'm saying. Countryboy was asking why someone would be offended by a nativity scene. If you're an orthodox Jew, an agnostic, a fundamentalist Muslim, a scene at city hall might offend you: religiocentric in nature... evangelicals of all kinds push for imagery in public places.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

You're completely misreading what I'm saying. Countryboy was asking why someone would be offended by a nativity scene. If you're an orthodox Jew, an agnostic, a fundamentalist Muslim, a scene at city hall might offend you: religiocentric in nature... evangelicals of all kinds push for imagery in public places.

I'd be offended by it even if I was a Christian because I understand that we have a secular government that isn't allowed to do such things. There are tons of Christians who are very much in favor of separation of church and state.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

You're completely misreading what I'm saying. Countryboy was asking why someone would be offended by a nativity scene. If you're an orthodox Jew, an agnostic, a fundamentalist Muslim, a scene at city hall might offend you: religiocentric in nature... evangelicals of all kinds push for imagery in public places.

Can the other religions ask for space to erect their displays? I think as referenced by the fact that Satanists had a display, the answer would be yes. Also, I don't think that Jews, or Muslims are offended by a nativity scene either....In fact I think the only ones offended by a nativity scene, are the less than 1% of people that don't believe in ****, and want to force everyone else to see it their way, or rain on their day. Miserable people really.
 
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I sometimes wonder if you genuinely miss the glaringly obvious point. If equity is to be preserved, every other religion on the planet is entitled to a space, where none should be, because one religion has inveigled it's way in. Why do you object to the Satanist nativity scene, but not the other? If you figure that out, you might glimpse why people object to Christianity muscling it's way where it shouldn't be.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

I sometimes wonder if you genuinely miss the glaringly obvious point. If equity is to be preserved, every other religion on the planet is entitled to a space, where none should be, because one religion has inveigled it's way in. Why do you object to the Satanist nativity scene, but not the other? If you figure that out, you might glimpse why people object to Christianity muscling it's way where it shouldn't be.

When you answer my earlier question, I will engage yours.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

So's Christianity, but we have to put up with that too.


How on earth did you come to that Conclusion ?
 
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When you answer my earlier question, I will engage yours.

That will be a first, indeed. In several years.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

That will be a first, indeed. In several years.

And still you won't answer a straight question....Why is that so hard for you mouse?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

I try not to, and as we see in many things those who embrace something fervently can be overbearing. But in recent years I think that has receded in the "in your face" aspect....I also, don't think that Christians, (a pretty broad brush there) are saying that only their religion should be recognized in this country. That I believe is a false narrative of those in the minority in this country that believe other things and don't like that the country is roughly 80% Christian. I don't see Christian's attacking Jewish displays, do you?

We often in here have fierce discussions about the "division" in this country, and who is to blame....Are repubs, are demo's, progressives, conservatives, communists, fascists...etc...Yet here is a clear example of a national holiday that is supposed to foster good will, kindness, charity, and family....This holiday is built around something that is not only a factual historical event, (even if the actual date is in dispute) but in the birth of a man who's sole purpose seems to have been to exclaim love toward one another, and was killed for it.

The nativity is a representation of the birth of Christ, that's all....Do you also get offended when you see the birth pics of your friends, or family's newborn children? Do you take to FB to denounce them, and say that you are posting abortion pics just to even things out? I suspect not...No, I don't really think that the nativity offends those that say it does, as much as it makes them feel guilty. So they act out like undisciplined children.
Leftists were never very good at 'tolerance'. They just talk the talk.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

because it was on govt property

:roll: The thread was about tolerance, you make it about separation of church and state because that is what you want it to be about.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Not arguing that...BTW, How many of the first century stories are verifiable in a 21st century rigor? Not many I suspect....But, you are delving into the whole theory of faith. I am so sorry you seem to have little, but, that doesn't mean that your conclusions are correct, or that mine are false...It only means that you hold a certain opinion at the moment....

A good article to consider if you would bother to read it, is:

The Birth of Jesus: Hype or History?
A great article! Perhaps the best insight on Christianity, for a casual reader like myself, since this. http://www.amazon.ca/Mere-Christian...46&sr=8-1&keywords=cs+lewis+mere+christianity Thanks!
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

I don't answer questions from people who repeatedly dodge questions asked of them so I will ask you for the third time:

Other than christians taking offense at the Satanists display, who has taken offense at any religious display and why?

Maybe your not following your own remarks about 'government property'?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Well, it was on public property, collectively owned by all of us. The government just oversees it.

Right. It is the people's property, but many want the government to enforce laws that would normally only require some common sense and tolerance.
 
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I think you're throwing around words you consider pejorative with either a disrespect or ignorance of their actual meaning.

Again, you're still not showing me examples of their economic cases, which are really the hallmark of an economic position like communism.

If one supports the idea of income redistribution as fuction of government---then one is for all practical purposes a communist.

And I know you support income redistribution in ALL forms of welfare entitlements.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Right. It is the people's property, but many want the government to enforce laws that would normally only require some common sense and tolerance.

Yes tolerance, including not vandalizing these displays, yes? This woman should be punished for vandalism.
 
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If one supports the idea of income redistribution as fuction of government---then one is for all practical purposes a communist.

And I know you support income redistribution in ALL forms of welfare entitlements.
It's unfortunate that the sum of your contributions to this thread are accusing various entities of communist ideology rather than:

a) understanding what communism actually is.

b) understanding who actually is a communist.

c) actually discussing the topic in the OP, which has nothing to do with economics, or one of the economic subsets, communism.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

It's unfortunate that the sum of your contributions to this thread are accusing various entities of communist ideology rather than:

a) understanding what communism actually is.

b) understanding who actually is a communist.

c) actually discussing the topic in the OP, which has nothing to do with economics, or one of the economic subsets, communism.

I try to stay on topic. The topic being that anti-Christian efforts to put up Satanic and atheistic displays are first steps in a pro-communist agenda:

Atheists Karl Marx and Vladmir Lenin

Karl Marx said "[Religion] is the opium of the people". Marx also stated: "Communism begins from the outset (Owen) with atheism; but atheism is at first far from being communism; indeed, that atheism is still mostly an abstraction.[45]

Vladimir Lenin similarly wrote regarding atheism and communism: "A Marxist must be a materialist, i.e., an enemy of religion, but a dialectical materialist, i.e., one who treats the struggle against religion not in an abstract way, not on the basis of remote, purely theoretical, never varying preaching, but in a concrete way, on the basis of the class struggle which is going on in practice and is educating the masses more and better than anything else could."[46]

The atheism in communist regimes has been and continues to be militant atheism and various acts of repression including the razing of thousands of religious buildings and the killing, imprisoning, and oppression of religious leaders and believers.[50]

The persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union was the result of the violently atheist Soviet government. In the first five years after the October Revolution, 28 bishops and 1,200 priests were murdered, many on the orders of Leon Trotsky. When Joseph Stalin came to power in 1927, he ordered his secret police, under Genrikh Yagoda to intensify persecution of Christians. In the next few years, 50,000 clergy were murdered, many were tortured, including crucifixion. "Russia turned red with the blood of martyrs", said Father Gleb Yakunin of the Russian Orthodox Church.[51] According to Orthodox Church sources, as many as fifty million Orthodox believers may have died in the twentieth century, mainly from persecution by Communists.[52]

In addition, in the atheistic and communist Soviet Union, 44 anti-religious museums were opened and the largest was the 'The Museum of the History of Religion and Atheism' in Leningrad’s Kazan cathedral.[53] Despite intense effort by the atheistic leaders of the Soviet Union, their efforts were not effective in converting the masses to atheism.[54

Atheism - Conservapedia

Of course your fanatical love and devotion to the ACLU, a known communist front, is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that you support most aspects of communism---except perhaps the abolition of private property or the absoulte control of industry. The model of limited economic freedom in China may be more to your liking.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

I try to stay on topic. The topic being that anti-Christian efforts to put up Satanic and atheistic displays are first steps in a pro-communist agenda:

Atheists Karl Marx and Vladmir Lenin

Karl Marx said "[Religion] is the opium of the people". Marx also stated: "Communism begins from the outset (Owen) with atheism; but atheism is at first far from being communism; indeed, that atheism is still mostly an abstraction.[45]

Vladimir Lenin similarly wrote regarding atheism and communism: "A Marxist must be a materialist, i.e., an enemy of religion, but a dialectical materialist, i.e., one who treats the struggle against religion not in an abstract way, not on the basis of remote, purely theoretical, never varying preaching, but in a concrete way, on the basis of the class struggle which is going on in practice and is educating the masses more and better than anything else could."[46]

The atheism in communist regimes has been and continues to be militant atheism and various acts of repression including the razing of thousands of religious buildings and the killing, imprisoning, and oppression of religious leaders and believers.[50]

The persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union was the result of the violently atheist Soviet government. In the first five years after the October Revolution, 28 bishops and 1,200 priests were murdered, many on the orders of Leon Trotsky. When Joseph Stalin came to power in 1927, he ordered his secret police, under Genrikh Yagoda to intensify persecution of Christians. In the next few years, 50,000 clergy were murdered, many were tortured, including crucifixion. "Russia turned red with the blood of martyrs", said Father Gleb Yakunin of the Russian Orthodox Church.[51] According to Orthodox Church sources, as many as fifty million Orthodox believers may have died in the twentieth century, mainly from persecution by Communists.[52]

In addition, in the atheistic and communist Soviet Union, 44 anti-religious museums were opened and the largest was the 'The Museum of the History of Religion and Atheism' in Leningrad’s Kazan cathedral.[53] Despite intense effort by the atheistic leaders of the Soviet Union, their efforts were not effective in converting the masses to atheism.[54

Atheism - Conservapedia

Of course your fanatical love and devotion to the ACLU, a known communist front, is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that you support most aspects of communism---except perhaps the abolition of private property or the absoulte control of industry. The model of limited economic freedom in China may be more to your liking.

Actually this thread is about a woman damaging a legal religious display. Are you saying the vandalism is justified and the woman should go unpunished?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Actually this thread is about a woman damaging a legal religious display. Are you saying the vandalism is justified and the woman should go unpunished?

I thought atheism wasn't a religion.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Somebody feel off the crazy buss. I am not going to speak on why a state building was housing a religious display, but what I m going to speak on is religion. I am sorry, if you are so entrenched in your religion that seeing a dissenting one if so terrible that you must vandalize it, I pity you. I am not trying to offend anybody here, but I think we can all agree it needs to be toned down a bit at that point.
 
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