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Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol[W:649]

Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Ikari said:
So? According to you, but not to everyone. You think that just because you think this Satan is bad that you get to censor everybody to keep out displays? That's rather egotistical.
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You would be the first I've personally spoken to who suggest Satan to be a good little angel.

I never said I would deny them the right to their display.
 
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j-mac said:
So what are the Satanists celebrating during Christmas?
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As I thought about this more, I'm not sure what even most christians are celebrating. Are they, like me, celebrating a time to think of friends and families and good will to all? are they celebrating shopping? how many are actually thinking about Jesus Christ and the lessons he taught (if you believe in the bible) about loving your fellow humans, taking care of the poor, and what not?

I'm sure many do. I'm also sure many don't.

But as someone said, what does it matter what satanists might be celebrating? look to your own heart; don't worry about your neighbor's heart.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Antagonism is in the eye of the beholder. Along with a beam, it would appear.
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So, you threw something out there that you can't answer...I should have expected as much....I recognize the beam if you will, but I am asking you what is so antagonistic about a nativity scene to you? You can't answer that can you?
 
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j-mac said:
So, you threw something out there that you can't answer...I should have expected as much....I recognize the beam if you will, but I am asking you what is so antagonistic about a nativity scene to you? You can't answer that can you?
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As I recall, you were the one to use the term. Why would I answer your questionable use of it?
 
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paddymcdougall said:
As I thought about this more, I'm not sure what even most christians are celebrating. Are they, like me, celebrating a time to think of friends and families and good will to all? are they celebrating shopping? how many are actually thinking about Jesus Christ and the lessons he taught (if you believe in the bible) about loving your fellow humans, taking care of the poor, and what not?

I'm sure many do. I'm also sure many don't.

But as someone said, what does it matter what satanists might be celebrating? look to your own heart; don't worry about your neighbor's heart.
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Exodus 20:16 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

Proverbs 3:29 Devise not evil against your neighbor, seeing he dwells securely by you.

Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatever you would that men should do to you, do you even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Mark 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Romans 13:10 Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Romans 15:2 Let every one of us please his neighbor for his good to edification.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Galatians 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good to all men, especially to them who are of the household of faith.

James 2:8 If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well:

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So, therefore as Christians we are called to not only treat others kindly, but also, to edify them when they stray. IMHO, many do fall short, and people and business does commercialize Christmas more than many like to see. However, if that is your reason to back a display that not only is put up explicitly to offend, but to spread cynicism then that to me signifies a problem within those that would do that. Much of the holiday is a time that most people try to put differences aside and even if for a day, come together as family....

I asked why the Satanists would want to do such a divisive thing during this holiday, and to date have gotten NO good answer on that, so I must conclude that it is just a childish way of antagonism which is just sad.
 
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j-mac said:
So, you threw something out there that you can't answer...I should have expected as much....I recognize the beam if you will, but I am asking you what is so antagonistic about a nativity scene to you? You can't answer that can you?
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Not that you asked me, but to me putting a religious display on public property is antagonistic to those of us who don't follow that religion. If I am expected to have to look at someone else's religious icons, I expect all religions - and all groups, religious or not - to be allowed to put displays on public property. I'm sure I won't like the tea party one, but will be happy to see a feminist display.
 
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j-mac said:
I asked why the Satanists would want to do such a divisive thing during this holiday, and to date have gotten NO good answer on that, so I must conclude that it is just a childish way of antagonism which is just sad.
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It may be childish but it does raise a good question.

If you want one religion respected on public property, than you have to accept others as well.

This is a really great example of saying basically, be careful what you wish for and a really good reason why no religion at all, should be represented or respected on public property.
 
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paddymcdougall said:
Not that you asked me, but to me putting a religious display on public property is antagonistic to those of us who don't follow that religion. If I am expected to have to look at someone else's religious icons, I expect all religions - and all groups, religious or not - to be allowed to put displays on public property. I'm sure I won't like the tea party one, but will be happy to see a feminist display.
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By the way, while I don't like seeing someone else's religious icons, it's not going to drive me into a violent fit as it seems to have done to the woman in the op.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
As I recall, you were the one to use the term. Why would I answer your questionable use of it?
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So, You refuse to answer a simple question? What offensive about asking you what was offensive? Good lord. :roll:
 
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paddymcdougall said:
By the way, while I don't like seeing someone else's religious icons, it's not going to drive me into a violent fit as it seems to have done to the woman in the op.
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Yes, and she was wrong, as I have said from the start. But what offends you about seeing a nativity scene? Or a Buddha? Or Mohammad?
 
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j-mac said:
Yes, and she was wrong, as I have said from the start. But what offends you about seeing a nativity scene? Or a Buddha? Or Mohammad?
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Other than christians taking offense at the Satanists display, who has taken offense at any religious display and why?
 
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j-mac said:
Yes, and she was wrong, as I have said from the start. But what offends you about seeing a nativity scene? Or a Buddha? Or Mohammad?
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Just that I'm having someone else's religious beliefs thrust in front of me. It's not a huge offense, and it happens all the time all over the place, so I've gotten used to it. But what is MORE offensive to me is someone saying only their religion can be in the public weal.

It's like people saying "well, it's ok if they are gay, but do they have to flaunt it?" while all around us heterosexuality is being flaunted right, left, top, bottom, and center.

We have christianity thrust in our faces all over the place, but somehow if we put up a display for a different religion, we are the problem. THAT is what is offensive. Christianity's demand to be the only religion displayed.

I'm not saying you do that; but that is the attitude of way too many christians in this country.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
It may be childish but it does raise a good question.

If you want one religion respected on public property, than you have to accept others as well.

This is a really great example of saying basically, be careful what you wish for and a really good reason why no religion at all, should be represented or respected on public property.
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Only for a very few does this display pose any threat, As I said before, if you are so insecure in your religion that you feel threatened by someone from the Church of Satan then you need to reassess your religion.

This has always been part of religious freedom. What some here fail to see is that throwing Christianity off of public land is more damaging to religious freedom than someone defacing a display.
 
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jmotivator said:
What some here fail to see is that throwing Christianity off of public land is more damaging to religious freedom than someone defacing a display.
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How?

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paddymcdougall said:
Just that I'm having someone else's religious beliefs thrust in front of me. It's not a huge offense, and it happens all the time all over the place, so I've gotten used to it. But what is MORE offensive to me is someone saying only their religion can be in the public weal.

It's like people saying "well, it's ok if they are gay, but do they have to flaunt it?" while all around us heterosexuality is being flaunted right, left, top, bottom, and center.

We have christianity thrust in our faces all over the place, but somehow if we put up a display for a different religion, we are the problem. THAT is what is offensive. Christianity's demand to be the only religion displayed.

I'm not saying you do that; but that is the attitude of way too many christians in this country.
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I try not to, and as we see in many things those who embrace something fervently can be overbearing. But in recent years I think that has receded in the "in your face" aspect....I also, don't think that Christians, (a pretty broad brush there) are saying that only their religion should be recognized in this country. That I believe is a false narrative of those in the minority in this country that believe other things and don't like that the country is roughly 80% Christian. I don't see Christian's attacking Jewish displays, do you?

We often in here have fierce discussions about the "division" in this country, and who is to blame....Are repubs, are demo's, progressives, conservatives, communists, fascists...etc...Yet here is a clear example of a national holiday that is supposed to foster good will, kindness, charity, and family....This holiday is built around something that is not only a factual historical event, (even if the actual date is in dispute) but in the birth of a man who's sole purpose seems to have been to exclaim love toward one another, and was killed for it.

The nativity is a representation of the birth of Christ, that's all....Do you also get offended when you see the birth pics of your friends, or family's newborn children? Do you take to FB to denounce them, and say that you are posting abortion pics just to even things out? I suspect not...No, I don't really think that the nativity offends those that say it does, as much as it makes them feel guilty. So they act out like undisciplined children.
 
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I like the way the right supports a small govt that doesn't get involved in people's lives

except when it comes to sex and religion....then they're not just fine with govt intrusion into our lives -- they enthusiastically support it.
 
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j-mac said:
The nativity is a representation of the birth of Christ, that's all....Do you also get offended when you see the birth pics of your friends, or family's newborn children? Do you take to FB to denounce them, and say that you are posting abortion pics just to even things out? I suspect not...No, I don't really think that the nativity offends those that say it does, as much as it makes them feel guilty. So they act out like undisciplined children.
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Please don't assume you know what other people are feeling. I never feel guilty when I look at a nativity scene. And I never act out like an undisciplined child around one. And it is NOT the nativity scene per se that offends me (as the woman in the op was offended by the mere existence of the satanist display). What offends me is when they are the only scene allowed.

There have been some beautifully done nativity scenes - from an artistic viewpoint I can admire them. And I won't admit how often I've choked up to the song "Little Drummer Boy".

Again, the offensive part - which hopefully is dying out as you say - is the thrusting it in my face as the only religion out there, being told it's the "truth", being told I must feel guilty if I don't like it.

Tim Minchin's song "White wine in the sun" describes it well -
 
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paddymcdougall said:
If I am expected to have to look at someone else's religious icons, I expect all religions - and all groups, religious or not - to be allowed to put displays on public property.
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Aww, that's such a cute little notion of "fairness"! Alas, if only you had broken out the crayons and wrote it on a nice, big piece of construction paper.
 
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j-mac said:
I try not to, and as we see in many things those who embrace something fervently can be overbearing. But in recent years I think that has receded in the "in your face" aspect....I also, don't think that Christians, (a pretty broad brush there) are saying that only their religion should be recognized in this country. That I believe is a false narrative of those in the minority in this country that believe other things and don't like that the country is roughly 80% Christian. I don't see Christian's attacking Jewish displays, do you?

We often in here have fierce discussions about the "division" in this country, and who is to blame....Are repubs, are demo's, progressives, conservatives, communists, fascists...etc...Yet here is a clear example of a national holiday that is supposed to foster good will, kindness, charity, and family....This holiday is built around something that is not only a factual historical event, (even if the actual date is in dispute) but in the birth of a man who's sole purpose seems to have been to exclaim love toward one another, and was killed for it.

The nativity is a representation of the birth of Christ, that's all....Do you also get offended when you see the birth pics of your friends, or family's newborn children? Do you take to FB to denounce them, and say that you are posting abortion pics just to even things out? I suspect not...No, I don't really think that the nativity offends those that say it does, as much as it makes them feel guilty. So they act out like undisciplined children.
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I will ask again:

Other than the christians who got offended by the satanists display, who is getting offended by any religious display?

If you can't answer that, then I suggest you stop lying about what other people think.
 
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j-mac said:
This holiday is built around something that is not only a factual historical event, (even if the actual date is in dispute)
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That's not even debatable.

The entire birth of Jesus, regardless of how cool it is, has no verifiable basis in proven fact.
 
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sangha said:
Other than christians taking offense at the Satanists display, who has taken offense at any religious display and why?
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Morning Sangha...I think it is more than just Christian's that take offense at a display honoring Satan, at a holiday meant to offer recognition of the Birth of Christ. Islam comes to mind....Although Christ was not, as Christians believe the physical embodiment of God himself, they do recognize Jesus as a prophet. Being the case, Why no Satinist's erecting this type of display in say, the ME? I don't think it would be too accepted there.
 
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j-mac said:
Morning Sangha...I think it is more than just Christian's that take offense at a display honoring Satan, at a holiday meant to offer recognition of the Birth of Christ. Islam comes to mind....Although Christ was not, as Christians believe the physical embodiment of God himself, they do recognize Jesus as a prophet. Being the case, Why no Satinist's erecting this type of display in say, the ME? I don't think it would be too accepted there.
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I didn't ask about your thoughts or your lies - I asked for some facts

Who, besides some christians, has taken offense at any religious display on public property? You keep claiming that someone is taking offense but won't say who it is so I believe that you are posting lies.
 
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sangha said:
I didn't ask about your thoughts or your lies - I asked for some facts

Who, besides some christians, has taken offense at any religious display on public property? You keep claiming that someone is taking offense but won't say who it is so I believe that you are posting lies.
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Organized Christian religions have screwed many, many more people than Satanists during our history.
 
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