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Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol[W:649]

Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

countryboy said:
No, Christians don't destroy other displays. One lady pushed over a silly satanic display, who's only purpose was to mock Christians in the first place.

Santa Claus is based on a saint. You know, a religious figure. I'd say that's pretty much a "religious implication".
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I think the only purpose for silly christian displays on public property is to mock other religions.
countryboy said:
What is it with the hatred of Christians around here? Why are people soooooo offended by a nativity scene on the little town square? What exactly is offensive about a nativity scene in the first place? Enquiring mimes want to know? :mrgreen:
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I don't know. Why are christians soooooo hateful that they want to mock other religions with their silly religious displays?
 
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Ikari said:
Its a religion , yes? Why can't they seek to have their displays on public land? Why is it automatically "mocking"? Couldn't they legitimately be seeking recognition of their religion and the ability to express it on the same level Christianity enjoys? The immediate victim-card doesn't really bolster an argument. How is this mockery instead of expression? Did they just make up the church for the display, or did it exist prior?

In the end, I support the rights and liberties of the individual be upheld. And if you allow religious display on public land, then it needs to be open to religions which seek equal expression capabilities.
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They have admitted the only purpose of the displays are to, "counteract the Nativity scene".
 
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countryboy said:
They have admitted the only purpose of the displays are to, "counteract the Nativity scene".
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OK, is that mocking or a desire to have their religious expression recognized? They would believe opposite of the nativity since their god is Satan. So theyd want a disay to coubter the nativity as would likely be in their religion.

So is it mocking or is it axdesire to have their veiws, which are innately opposite to Christianity, be expressed upon the same stage Christianity is allowed their expression?
 
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sangha said:
I think the only purpose for silly christian displays on public property is to mock other religions.



I don't know. Why are christians soooooo hateful that they want to mock other religions with their silly religious displays?
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Hey Ikari, you sure you wanna stick to your position that Christian hatred is "exaggerated"? :roll:
 
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countryboy said:
Hey Ikari, you sure you wanna stick to your position that Christian hatred is "exaggerated"? :roll:
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Hey CB, do you want to reread what I wrote in that sentence? :roll:
 
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Ikari said:
OK, is that mocking or a desire to have their religious expression recognized? They would believe opposite of the nativity since their god is Satan. So theyd want a disay to coubter the nativity as would likely be in their religion.

So is it mocking or is it axdesire to have their veiws, which are innately opposite to Christianity, be expressed upon the same stage Christianity is allowed their expression?
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Whatever, contrarian "logic" cannot see the forest for the trees.
 
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Ikari said:
Hey CB, do you want to reread what I wrote in that sentence? :roll:
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I wasn't referring to you, I quoted one of your fellow travelers.
 
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countryboy said:
Whatever, contrarian "logic" cannot see the forest for the trees.
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So you have no evidence for mocking, it's just how you perceive this act. That's what I thought. So are we then to restrict the religious expressions of others based on your unsupported perceptions?
 
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countryboy said:
I wasn't referring to you, I quoted one of your fellow travelers.
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Indeed, but you don't seem to understand what I had written in that sentence. Finding one post that might be taken as hatred against Christianity does not contradict my statement.
 
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Flamethrower said:
If you defend the actions of the ACLU, then you already know what communism is all about. But here's a refresher:

The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx

To the true communist, religion is poison. Lib-Com groups like the ACLU will defend any group to bring down the prevailing religion of the US, Christianity.
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Again, can you show me cases where the ACLU has actually defended any of these "communist" ideals? The overwhelming majority of their cases are with free speech and freedom of religion.

I haven't seen too many cases they've joined in on that include "confiscation of the properties of all emigrants and rebels."
Flamethrower said:
The hard truth you fail to mention is that the ACLU has been protecting communists in all these cases. You cannot deny that the ACLU was founded by communists and filled its ranks with pro-communists. More ignorant people will look at the handful of times that the ACLU defended the Nazis marching in Skokie, or defending a Christian minister here and there. Those were all part of the plan of diversion. It's what the ACLU does 90% of the time to promote Leftist/Communist causes and to remove Christianity from the American people.

If Christian displays on government land and public school prayer were really violations of the Constitution, then Deist Founders like Madison, Jefferson and Hamilton would never have allowed them in the beginning.

Another absoulte LIE, that I myself have called the ACLU on is that the ACLU defends the Bill of Rights and the Consititution. That is an absoulte falsehood. The ACLU has never defended the core right of the 2nd Amendment. Their main effort has always been to protect Communists and promote their leftist agenda.
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The reason that the ACLU protected the speech of communists was that the American government had a fairly strong bias towards prosecuting communists during that period.

The aspect you're not appreciating is that by protecting the most offensive speech, or the most unpleasant of religions, is that it means the rights of everyone else to say or believe what they wish are that much safer. For a person with the user name "Flame Thrower" that should be doubly appreciated.
 
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Ikari said:
So you have no evidence for mocking, it's just how you perceive this act. That's what I thought. So are we then to restrict the religious expressions of others based on your unsupported perceptions?
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I have the words of the people setting up the "satanic" displays. What more do I need?
 
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Ikari said:
Indeed, but you don't seem to understand what I had written in that sentence. Finding one post that might be taken as hatred against Christianity does not contradict my statement.
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You might have a point if it were only that one post by that one individual, but it's far from that.
 
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countryboy said:
I have the words of the people setting up the "satanic" displays. What more do I need?
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They never said they were mocking, just providing an alternative. You're the one who took alternative to mean mocking. Is that enough to legitimately infringe upon expression or do we have to accept this as a consequence of.freedom, to allow them their expression, protect it, and move on?
 
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countryboy said:
You might have a point if it were only that one post by that one individual, but it's far from that.
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It's all that has been presented, and even then I didn't really get "hatred" from that post. As I said, I think perhaps the magnitude has been exaggerated.
 
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Ikari said:
They never said they were mocking, just providing an alternative. You're the one who took alternative to mean mocking. Is that enough to legitimately infringe upon expression or do we have to accept this as a consequence of.freedom, to allow them their expression, protect it, and move on?
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"Counteract"' and, "alternative" are not synonymous.
 
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countryboy said:
"Counteract"' and, "alternative" are not synonymous.
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Neither are "counteract" and "mocking".
 
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countryboy said:
"Counteract"' and, "alternative" are not synonymous.
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Thank you. Knowing that might come in handy some day.
 
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Ikari said:
Neither are "counteract" and "mocking".
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Taken with their other statements, it amounts to mockery. But thanks for at least admitting you were off base by referring to it as an alternative.

These people aren't a church, they don't even worship satan. Their stated goal is to force the removal of all religious displays from public property.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

countryboy said:
I have the words of the people setting up the "satanic" displays. What more do I need?
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You seem to have a problem with freedom of religion....when it isn't your religion.

How unamerican
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

countryboy said:
Taken with their other statements, it amounts to mockery. But thanks for at least admitting you were off base by referring to it as an alternative.

These people aren't a church, they don't even worship satan. Their stated goal is to force the removal of all religious displays from public property.
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You almost sound disappointed that there are not more people who bask in the unholy ceremonies of our dark lord.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

countryboy said:
Taken with their other statements, it amounts to mockery. But thanks for at least admitting you were off base by referring to it as an alternative.

These people aren't a church, they don't even worship satan. Their stated goal is to force the removal of all religious displays from public property.
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It is an interpretation, nothing more. It wasn't "way off base". You had not provided, and continue to not provide, evidence that this is mocking. I gave an alternative and asked if your perception is all that is necessary and off of that is it legitimate to infringe upon expression.

Noticed you never addressed those.
 
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beefheart said:
You seem to have a problem with freedom of religion....when it isn't your religion.

How unamerican
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You seem to have a problem with reality. But you're in good company.
 
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Ikari said:
It is an interpretation, nothing more. It wasn't "way off base". You had not provided, and continue to not provide, evidence that this is mocking. I gave an alternative and asked if your perception is all that is necessary and off of that is it legitimate to infringe upon expression.

Noticed you never addressed those.
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If the stated purpose of TST is media attention, and removal of all religious displays from the public square, how is it not mockery?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

countryboy said:
Taken with their other statements, it amounts to mockery. But thanks for at least admitting you were off base by referring to it as an alternative.

These people aren't a church, they don't even worship satan. Their stated goal is to force the removal of all religious displays from public property.
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And if you oppose their freedom to put their beliefs on public property, then you believe in applying religious freedom selectively. You want the United States government to decide what counts as a religion and what doesn't. That's an awful lot of faith you have in the government.
 
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countryboy said:
You seem to have a problem with reality. But you're in good company.
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No, are you for freedom of religion? Then you better be for freedom of ALL religions, or you are a hypocrite.

You just want the rules to apply to the religion you agree with. That is unamerican.

And it is cowardly.
 
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