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Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol[W:649]

Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

I disagree Countryboy. The yule log goes back to paganism. So does holly and mistletoe. Look up Christmas tree in the Encyclopedia Britannica and you will get a history lesson in the first paragraph about tree worship in ancient pagan customs.
The evergreen tree was a symbol of the essence of life and was regarded as a phallic symbol in fertility worship.
Witches and other pagans regarded the red holly as a symbol of the menstrual blood of the queen of heaven, also known as Diana. And if you have ever done a study on Diana of Ephesus, that is one "goddess" that hated little boys and favored girls. She sort of reminds me of the precursor of the feminism of males going on today.
Here's a picture of her, and you thought a cow had a lot of teats!

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The holly wood was used by witches to make wands.

The white berries of mistletoe were believed by pagans to represent droplets of the semen of the sun god.

Both holly and mistletoe were hung in doorways of pagan temples and homes to invoke powers of fertility in those who stood beneath and kissed, causing the spirits of the god and goddess to enter them.

These customs transcended the borders of Rome and Germany to the far reaches of the known world.

Do all these traditions mean the same thing today? No. But it can not be denied they have their origins in paganism. These practices were among the pagans in the days of stories of great men of faith in the OT. Even in the Psalms you will find God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob depicted as an evergreen tree most likely to debunk tree worshipers at the time.
I guess the message I am trying to relay is there are several traditions in a Christian celebration of Christmas that have pagan roots and are the traditions of men. The thing to remember is what is important is the condition of our heart which has nothing to do with traditions of men.
All of that stuff is in the Bible too.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Just calling a set of beliefs a religion does not make it so. If a bunch of lousy mutts wanted to resurrect the cult of thuggee from old India, which was devoted to murdering people for the goddess Kali, and call it a religion, should the rest of us have to let them put up a memorial in the state capital?

There are quite a few Supreme Court decisions on religion in the public square under the Establishment Clause, and not all of them make much sense. Nothing in the First Amendment requires completely tolerance of every group of nuts that comes down the pike.
So who gets to choose whether to tolerate a religion or not? You?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

To you, but not others. Why do your beliefs have to be respected, but not the beliefs of others?

Since Satan is the antithesis of Christ.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Not a single one of those cases are about promoting communism, most are about the free speech and other rights rights of alleged communists and others. Others are about ending the use government resources and power to impose Christian teachings on students. All of those cases are about protecting our rights as per the Bill of Rights. Opposing the Bill of Rights is Unamerican.

The hard truth you fail to mention is that the ACLU has been protecting communists in all these cases. You cannot deny that the ACLU was founded by communists and filled its ranks with pro-communists. More ignorant people will look at the handful of times that the ACLU defended the Nazis marching in Skokie, or defending a Christian minister here and there. Those were all part of the plan of diversion. It's what the ACLU does 90% of the time to promote Leftist/Communist causes and to remove Christianity from the American people.

If Christian displays on government land and public school prayer were really violations of the Constitution, then Deist Founders like Madison, Jefferson and Hamilton would never have allowed them in the beginning.

Another absoulte LIE, that I myself have called the ACLU on is that the ACLU defends the Bill of Rights and the Consititution. That is an absoulte falsehood. The ACLU has never defended the core right of the 2nd Amendment. Their main effort has always been to protect Communists and promote their leftist agenda.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

When Coke used their influence to convince people that Santa had a Red Outfit and not a green one, that's in Genesis 6:21

"Go and let Santa Claus now wear a red outfit, so as to better connect him to Coca~Cola products and marketing materials".

How influential were reindeer in middle-eastern culture, so much so that they had to be constantly mentioned in the Bible?

Honestly, I don't know why libs have to be such asses about stuff. Just because a corporation uses something in it's advertising campaign, doesn't diminish the meaning people hold in their hearts.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

I remember when the Elf On A Shelf was present at the Last Supper.

And don't forget the reindeer that watched over baby jeezus.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Yes, and?

There is no "and", the government is secular.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Yes, in fact there is. I am now living in a area of the city where there is an abundance of Hindus and Muslims. I attend there get togethers.

In fact my 4 year old granddaughter is the only white child in her pre-school class and yet a dark skinned Santa Claus still visited, with no complaints raised by anyone. These people understand the cultural importance of Christmas, while many others apparently do not. This does not deflect from the importance they hold for their own religion.

So Hindus and Muslims put displays up on public property? do they destroy other displays that might be up at the same time? or do only christians do that?

Perhaps they didn't complain about santa claus because they saw no religious implication behind him?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

So the central tenets of communism are free speech and atheism? I don't see a lot of economic court decisions listed, for a redistribution based ideology.

Your definition of "communism" is lacking.

If you defend the actions of the ACLU, then you already know what communism is all about. But here's a refresher:

1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.

The courts have interpreted the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868) to give the government far more "eminent domain" power than was originally intended, Under the rubric of "eminent domain" and various zoning regulations, land use regulations by the Bureau of Land

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

The 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913 (which some scholars maintain was never properly ratified), and various State income taxes, established this major Marxist coup in the United States many decades ago. These taxes continue to drain the lifeblood out of the American economy and greatly reduce the accumulation of desperately needed capital for future growth, business starts, job creation, and salary increases.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

Another Marxian attack on private property rights is in the form of Federal & State estate taxes and other inheritance taxes, which have abolished or at least greatly diluted the right of private property owners to determine the disposition and distribution of their estates upon their death.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

We call it government seizures, tax liens, "forfeiture" Public "law" 99-570 (1986);

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

The Federal Reserve System, created by the Federal Reserve Act of Congress in 1913, is indeed such a "national bank" and it politically manipulates interest rates and holds a monopoly on legal counterfeiting in the United States.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state.

In the U.S., communication and transportation are controlled and regulated by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) established by the Communications Act of 1934 and the Department of Transportation and the Interstate Commerce Commission (established by Congress in 1887),

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

While the U.S. does not have vast "collective farms" (which failed so miserably in the Soviet Union), we nevertheless do have a significant degree of government involvement in agriculture in the form of price support subsidies and acreage alotments and land-use controls. The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.


8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000. And I almost forgot...The Equal Rights Amendment means that women should do all work that men do including the military and since passage it would make women subject to the draft.


9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

We call it the Planning Reorganization Act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.


10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .

The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx

To the true communist, religion is poison. Lib-Com groups like the ACLU will defend any group to bring down the prevailing religion of the US, Christianity.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Why can't leftists read? Do you genuinely not understand the difference between religion and culture??

This ignorance among the left is just too widespread to bode well for the future of the country, especially if their numbers continue to grow.

There's just so much whining because we recognize more than one religion, it's childish. No one is trying to break "culture", but government cannot discriminate and I'd we allow one religion to fbe displayed on public land, we open ourselves up for needing to allow more.

Nothing more than that. I suggest you figure out how to handle it.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Since Satan is the antithesis of Christ.

So? According to you, but not to everyone. You think that just because you think this Satan is bad that you get to censor everybody to keep out displays? That's rather egotistical.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

And don't forget the reindeer that watched over baby jeezus.

Jeezz. You could at least call them by name.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Since Satan is the antithesis of Christ.

I believe in Antithesis. Who are the other two?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

There is no "and", the government is secular.

It should be anyway. Our money says diffently.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

So Hindus and Muslims put displays up on public property? do they destroy other displays that might be up at the same time? or do only christians do that?

Perhaps they didn't complain about santa claus because they saw no religious implication behind him?

No, Christians don't destroy other displays. One lady pushed over a silly satanic display, who's only purpose was to mock Christians in the first place.

Santa Claus is based on a saint. You know, a religious figure. I'd say that's pretty much a "religious implication".
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

It should be anyway. Our money says diffently.

I bet that just galls you no end. :mrgreen:
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

No, Christians don't destroy other displays. One lady pushed over a silly satanic display, who's only purpose was to mock Christians in the first place.

Santa Claus is based on a saint. You know, a religious figure. I'd say that's pretty much a "religious implication".

Santa is actually pagan in origin, but it doesn't matter why she committed vandalism, what matters is that she vandalized a religious display. And that's what she should be punished for, nothing less and nothing more.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

No, Christians don't destroy other displays. One lady pushed over a silly satanic display, who's only purpose was to mock Christians in the first place.

Be that as it may, she's an idiot for playing right into their hands. There's nothing to defend here (not saying you are), she deserves nothing but criticism as far as I'm concerned.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Be that as it may, she's an idiot for playing right into their hands. There's nothing to defend here (not saying you are), she deserves nothing but criticism as far as I'm concerned.

Absolutely, but by the same token, painting all Christians as intolerant of other religious displays is idiotic.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Absolutely, but by the same token, painting all Christians as intolerant of other religious displays is idiotic.

Ah yes, that hostile element is well represented at DP. You'll get to know those, as soon as you see it's post from them, where exactly it's going to go. :lol:
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Absolutely, but by the same token, painting all Christians as intolerant of other religious displays is idiotic.

Not all are, not all atheists are out to end religion, not all efforts for religious display are to mock Christians, etc.

The real problem isn't so much those that are tolerant of religious display in its full, but those who are not. Anyone vandalizing religious displays should be punished for vandalism.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Ah yes, that hostile element is well represented at DP. You'll get to know those, as soon as you see it's post from them, where exactly it's going to go. :lol:

What is it with the hatred of Christians around here? Why are people soooooo offended by a nativity scene on the little town square? What exactly is offensive about a nativity scene in the first place? Enquiring mimes want to know? :mrgreen:
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

What is it with the hatred of Christians around here? Why are people soooooo offended by a nativity scene on the little town square? What exactly is offensive about a nativity scene in the first place? Enquiring mimes want to know? :mrgreen:

I think, for the most part, the hatred thing is exaggerated. It exists, but I think the magnitude is not as high as some seem to suggest. There is no problem with nativity scenes on public land, though if you allow it you may have to allow other religious displays.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Not all are, not all atheists are out to end religion, not all efforts for religious display are to mock Christians, etc.

The real problem isn't so much those that are tolerant of religious display in its full, but those who are not. Anyone vandalizing religious displays should be punished for vandalism.
Do you support the idiotic "satanic temple" people in their quest to mock Christians?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Do you support the idiotic "satanic temple" people in their quest to mock Christians?

Its a religion , yes? Why can't they seek to have their displays on public land? Why is it automatically "mocking"? Couldn't they legitimately be seeking recognition of their religion and the ability to express it on the same level Christianity enjoys? The immediate victim-card doesn't really bolster an argument. How is this mockery instead of expression? Did they just make up the church for the display, or did it exist prior?

In the end, I support the rights and liberties of the individual be upheld. And if you allow religious display on public land, then it needs to be open to religions which seek equal expression capabilities.
 
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