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Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol[W:649]

Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

By what measure is the truth or falsity their religion different to Christianity? Satanism even shares the same characters, they just root for the underdog.

If you take the propaganda of paranoid medieval Christians as truth, I fear you haven't much reason to think it true.

Theistic satanists take the blatantly untrue accusations against largely innocent people of centuries' past and believe it to be some sort of truth. There was no sabbat, no dark meetings in the forest...none of it was true. It was nonsense created by Christians and thrust upon unfortunate people who had to accept the false narratives under duress of torture or were convinced of the untruth due to having a form of mental illness. The problem? It was all made up, but the poor men and women paid the price for it.

It's the worship of black propaganda by Churchmen. I can't think anything more false than that.

Atheist satanists are merely jumping on the rebellion Satanism represents.
 
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Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

These "Satanists" are not a religion. They are atheists posing as Satanists in order to provoke Christians. Even their own website has the exact stance of an extreme atheist described in it. No matter what they or anyone else says that is all that they are. Such actions should not be allowed as it creates unrest and does not lead to a peaceful society. The OP is an example of that. While I don't condone her actions I certainly do not blame her for those actions. She was provoked imo. I don't care if they put up Islamic symbols or Hindu or whatever, hell, don't even care about Wiccan idoltry being put up. But these "Satanists" are doing what they are just to provoke and they should be shut down.

Religionists usually like to claim that Atheism is a religion.

People expressing an opinion are not responsible for the reaction of the people who can't tolerate it.

If religious people are allowed to use public facilities to make a pro-religion statement, then non-religious people have the same right to make their anti-religious statement. Government should be neutral both with religion and with other types of viewpoints.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

I'm almost out of time today, but knowing good commies follow the tenets of communism, and want to eliminate Christianity:

Dennis v. United States, 341 U.S. 494 (1951), was a United States Supreme Court case relating to Eugene Dennis, General Secretary of the Communist Party USA. The Court ruled that Dennis did not have the right under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution to exercise free speech, publication and assembly, if the exercise involved the creation of a plot to overthrow the government. ACLU wrote in favor of the defendants.
Dennis v. United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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That enough?

Not a single one of those cases are about promoting communism, most are about the free speech and other rights rights of alleged communists and others. Others are about ending the use government resources and power to impose Christian teachings on students. All of those cases are about protecting our rights as per the Bill of Rights. Opposing the Bill of Rights is Unamerican.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

I'm almost out of time today, but knowing good commies follow the tenets of communism, and want to eliminate Christianity:

Dennis v. United States, 341 U.S. 494 (1951), was a United States Supreme Court case relating to Eugene Dennis, General Secretary of the Communist Party USA. The Court ruled that Dennis did not have the right under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution to exercise free speech, publication and assembly, if the exercise involved the creation of a plot to overthrow the government. ACLU wrote in favor of the defendants.
Dennis v. United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1925 Gitlow v. New York Our first Supreme Court landmark. Though upholding the defendant's conviction for distributing his call to overthrow the government, the Court held, for the first time, that the Fourteenth Amendment "incorporates" the free speech clause of the First Amendment and is, therefore, applicable to the states.

1927 Whitney v. California Though the Court upheld a conviction for membership in a group that advocated the overthrow of the state, Justice Brandeis explained, in a separate opinion, that under the "clear and present danger test" the strong presumption must be in favor of "more speech, not enforced silence." That view, which ultimately prevailed, laid the groundwork for modern First Amendment law.

1931 Stromberg v. California The ACLU argued successfully that the conviction of a communist for displaying a red flag should be overturned because it was based on a state law that was overly vague, in violation of the First Amendment

1937 DeJonge v. Oregon A landmark First Amendment case, in which the Court held that the defendant's conviction under a state criminal syndicalism statute merely for attending a peaceful Communist Party rally violated his free speech rights.

1957 Watkins v. United States Under the First Amendment, the Court imposed limits on the investigative powers of the House UnAmerican Activities Committee, which had found a labor leader in contempt for refusing to answer questions about his associates' membership in the Communist Party.
1958 Kent v. Dulles The Court ruled that the State Department had exceeded its authority in denying artist Rockwell Kent a passport because he refused to sign a "noncommunist affidavit." The right to travel, said the Court, is protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment.

1962 Engel v. Vitale In an 8-1 decision, the Court struck down the New York State Regent's "nondenominational" school prayer, holding that "It is no part of the business of government to compose official prayers."

1963 Abingdon School District v. Schempp Building on Engel in another 8- 1 decision, the Court struck down Pennsylvania's in-school Bible-reading law as a violation of the First Amendment.

1965 Lamont v. Postmaster General A unanimous Court found unconstitutional, under the First Amendment, a challenged Cold War law that required the Postermaster General to detain and destroy all unsealed mail from abroad deemed to be "communist political propaganda" -- unless the addressee requested delivery in writing.

1969 Brandenburg v. Ohio After the ACLU's 50-year struggle against laws punishing political advocacy, the Court now adopted our view of the First Amendment -- that the government could only penalize direct incitement to imminent lawless action -- and invalidated, in one fell swoop, the Smith Act and all state sedition laws restricting radical political groups.

1983 Bob Jones University v. United States The Court rejected two fundamentalist Christian schools' claim, supported by the Reagan Justice Department, that the First Amendment guarantee of religious liberty forbade the denial of income tax exemptions to educational and religious institutions that practice racial discrimination. Instead, the Court held that the IRS is empowered to set rules enforcing a "settled public policy" against racial discrimination in education

The ACLU's Most Important U.S. Supreme Court Victories

That enough?
So the central tenets of communism are free speech and atheism? I don't see a lot of economic court decisions listed, for a redistribution based ideology.

Your definition of "communism" is lacking.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

The fact that you can't tell us what Christmas has to do with democracies is pretty telling.
If you don't understand the word 'culture' there is no telling you anything.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

A) A theocracy is one point of a continuum along a political axis. It's not an all or nothing thing, just like communism, libertarianism, etc. There are positions a government or citizens can take that shift a nation closer or further from that point. We don't suddenly live in a communist nation simply because we extend social security benefits, but it does shift us leftward. In the same vein, we don't suddenly live in a theocracy because of a single town square Christmas display, however, if our judicial system accepts public, limited, endorsement and establishment of religion it shifts us significantly from the historical norms and guarantees established in the Bill of Rights.

B) As for a timeline, that's unrealistic. I don't have a crystal ball. But it's a significant encroachment on the separation of church and state.

In other words, you have no idea what you're talking about, and your assertion that Christmas decorations on the little town square is not a fundamental step towards theocracy. That's what I thought.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Coming from someone who believes in a god. :laughat:
What gave you that idea? Did one of your imaginary friends, Lenin perhaps, whisper this in your ear?

You don't have to be Gay to defend Gay rights, or Black to defend equal rights, and you don't have to be a Christian to speak up for Christmas. Do leftists seriously not get this?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Fortunately over the past 40 years you have been proven wrong about their dangerousness.
That needs some clarification, thanks.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

That needs some clarification, thanks.

The outbreaks of killings and so forth have thus far been more of a product of fantasy and coercive interrogations than any basis in reality.

Satanism has thus far been eccentric rather than a danger to society.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Oh, please. Do tell.

It's called the First Amendment. I realize you guys like to forget every amendment but the Second, but it's in there.

You realize that getting rid of the religious displays would mean no Satanic display. As it is now, with the door open to Christians they have to open it to other religions. The government can't pick a religion as "correct."
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

What gave you that idea? Did one of your imaginary friends, Lenin perhaps, whisper this in your ear?

You don't have to be Gay to defend Gay rights, or Black to defend equal rights, and you don't have to be a Christian to speak up for Christmas. Do leftists seriously not get this?

Cephus isn't a leftist. I realize that it's hard for you to understand that. See, he's a conservative atheist. I'm a liberal Christian. Real people aren't your strawmen.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Cephus isn't a leftist. I realize that it's hard for you to understand that. See, he's a conservative atheist. I'm a liberal Christian. Real people aren't your strawmen.
I go by their words, not what they call themselves.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

The outbreaks of killings and so forth have thus far been more of a product of fantasy and coercive interrogations than any basis in reality.

Satanism has thus far been eccentric rather than a danger to society.
I agree that these people are harmless enough, though not very bright, and they target areas where they know they'll be safe. Attacking Christians and Christian symbols is easy for them, though they would never dare do the same to Muslims, or even Hindus.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Isn't that what you're supposed to do to a Satanic display? WWSD?

That display wasn't done by real Satanists anyway--they're just a bunch of devil-worshipping freakazoids who want attention.

True Satanists are Laveyan Satanists and we don't need displays.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

While incorrect, her actions are understandable and it should be pointed out that this sort of thing wouldn't happen if they didn't allow this heinous evil to occur in the first place.

"Heinous evil"

:dramallama::dramallama::dramallama:
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

It's called the First Amendment. I realize you guys like to forget every amendment but the Second, but it's in there.

You realize that getting rid of the religious displays would mean no Satanic display. As it is now, with the door open to Christians they have to open it to other religions. The government can't pick a religion as "correct."

And to allow Christmas displays during Christmas, Christian or otherwise, is called "Tolerance". Christmas is a part of western culture and has been celebrated annually for hundreds of years. Satanism, while not unknown, has never really caught on with the public, though it is growing in deed, if not by philosophy.

We can ban Christmas altogether from the public square and replace it with nothing. Just leave it the same all year 'round. That should bring joy to the hearts of Satanists and atheists everywhere.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

What gave you that idea? Did one of your imaginary friends, Lenin perhaps, whisper this in your ear?

You don't have to be Gay to defend Gay rights, or Black to defend equal rights, and you don't have to be a Christian to speak up for Christmas. Do leftists seriously not get this?

I don't know, go ask a leftist. :roll:
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

In other words, you have no idea what you're talking about, and your assertion that Christmas decorations on the little town square is not a fundamental step towards theocracy. That's what I thought.
I'll assume you're being genuinely obtuse.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

If you don't understand the word 'culture' there is no telling you anything.

Still can't make your case? Pretty telling.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

I go by their words, not what they call themselves.

So do I. Considering Cephus' words on many other issues that aren't religion, he's no leftist.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

They have a right to be, under the Free Exercise Clause (U.S. Const. amend. I). However, as a matter of law - and Constitution - it's a secular country by virtue of the Establishment Clause (also amend. I)
How ironic is it that every State Constitution makes reference, acknowledging a Supreme Being, All Mighty God, ETC.
1. Alabama 1901 "invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God,"
2. Alaska 1956 "grateful to God"
3. Arizona 1911" grateful to Almighty God"
4. Arkansas 1998 "All men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God";
5. California 1879 "grateful to Almighty God for our freedom"
6. Colorado 1876 "with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe..."
7. Connecticut 1818 "The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God."
8. Delaware 1897 "Through Divine goodness, all men have by nature the rights of worshiping and serving their Creator"
9. Florida 1968 "grateful to Almighty God"
10. Georgia 1998 " relying upon the protection and guidance of Almighty God,"
11. Hawaii 1959 "grateful for Divine Guidance"
12. Idaho 1890 " grateful to Almighty God "
13. Illinois 1870 "grateful to Almighty God "
14. Indiana 1851 "grateful to ALMIGHTY GOD "
15. Iowa 1857 " grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of those blessings..."
16. Kansas 1859 " grateful to Almighty God"
17. Kentucky 1891 "grateful to Almighty God"
18. Louisiana 1974 " grateful to Almighty God "
19. Maine 1820 "acknowledge with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe..."
20. Maryland 1867 "grateful to Almighty God"
21. Massachusetts 1780 " acknowledging, with grateful hearts, the goodness of the great Legislator of the universe,"
22. Michigan 1963 "grateful to Almighty God"
23. Minnesota 1857 " grateful to God "
24. Mississippi 1890 " grateful to Almighty God,"
25. Missouri 1945 " with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness"
26. Montana 1972 " grateful to God "
27. Nebraska 1875 " All persons have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God "
28. Nevada 1864 "grateful to Almighty God "
29. New Hampshire 1783 "Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God"
30. New Jersey 1947 " grateful to Almighty God ."
31. New Mexico 1911 " grateful to Almighty God "
32. New York 1938 " grateful to Almighty God "
33. North Carolina 1971 " grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations"
34. North Dakota 1889 " grateful to Almighty God "
35. Ohio 1851 "grateful to Almighty God "
36. Oklahoma 1907 "Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty..."
37. Oregon All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God"
38. Pennsylvania 1874 "grateful to Almighty God "
39. Rhode Island 1986 "grateful to Almighty God"
40. South Carolina 1778 " grateful to God "
41. South Dakota 1889 "grateful to Almighty God "
42. Tennessee 1870 " That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God"
43. Texas 1876 "Humbly invoking the blessings of Almighty God"
4. Utah 1896 "Grateful to Almighty God"
45. Vermont 1793 That all persons have a natural and unalienable right, to worship Almighty God............Nevertheless, every sect or denomination of christians ought to observe the sabbath or Lord's day, and keep up some sort of religious worship, which to them shall seem most agreeable to the revealed will of God."
46. Virginia 1776 Bill of Rights "That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator, ..............that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity towards each other."
47. Washington 1889 "grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe "
48. West Virginia 1872 "Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia, in and through the provisions of this Constitution, reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God "
49. Wisconsin 1848 " grateful to Almighty God "
50. Wyoming 1889 " grateful to God "

Looks like the closer the government is to the people, the less secular it becomes.
 
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Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

And to allow Christmas displays during Christmas, Christian or otherwise, is called "Tolerance". Christmas is a part of western culture and has been celebrated annually for hundreds of years. Satanism, while not unknown, has never really caught on with the public, though it is growing in deed, if not by philosophy.

We can ban Christmas altogether from the public square and replace it with nothing. Just leave it the same all year 'round. That should bring joy to the hearts of Satanists and atheists everywhere.

If they removed religion from the public square, that would remove Satanists. You get that, right? If the government stays out of religion, these things don't happen.

It's not "tolerance" if you only "tolerate" the people you like. Which is exactly what you want them to do - "tolerate" the Christians, but only the Christians.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

How ironic is it that every State Constitution makes reference, acknowledging a Supreme Being, All Mighty God, ETC.
1. Alabama 1901 "invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God,"
2. Alaska 1956 grateful to God"
3. Arizona 1911 grateful to Almighty God"
4. Arkansas 1998 "All men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God";
5. California 1879 "grateful to Almighty God for our freedom"
6. Colorado 1876 "with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe..."
7. Connecticut 1818 "The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God."
8. Delaware 1897 "Through Divine goodness, all men have by nature the rights of worshiping and serving their Creator"
9. Florida 1968 grateful to Almighty God"
10. Georgia 1998 " relying upon the protection and guidance of Almighty God,"
11. Hawaii 1959 "grateful for Divine Guidance"
12. Idaho 1890 " grateful to Almighty God "
13. Illinois 1870 "grateful to Almighty God "
14. Indiana 1851 "grateful to ALMIGHTY GOD "
15. Iowa 1857 " grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of those blessings..."
16. Kansas 1859 " grateful to Almighty God"
17. Kentucky 1891 "grateful to Almighty God"
18. Louisiana 1974 " grateful to Almighty God "
19. Maine 1820 "acknowledge with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe..."
20. Maryland 1867 "grateful to Almighty God"
21. Massachusetts 1780 " acknowledging, with grateful hearts, the goodness of the great Legislator of the universe,"
22. Michigan 1963 "grateful to Almighty God"
23. Minnesota 1857 " grateful to God "
24. Mississippi 1890 " grateful to Almighty God,"
25. Missouri 1945 " with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness"
26. Montana 1972 " grateful to God "
27. Nebraska 1875 All persons have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God "
28. Nevada 1864 "grateful to Almighty God "
29. New Hampshire 1783 "Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God"
30. New Jersey 1947 " grateful to Almighty God ."
31. New Mexico 1911 " grateful to Almighty God "
32. New York 1938 " grateful to Almighty God "
33. North Carolina 1971 " grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations"
34. North Dakota 1889 " grateful to Almighty God "
35. Ohio 1851 "grateful to Almighty God "
36. Oklahoma 1907 "Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty..."
37. Oregon All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God"
38. Pennsylvania 1874 "grateful to Almighty God "
39. Rhode Island 1986 "grateful to Almighty God"
40. South Carolina 1778 " grateful to God "
41. South Dakota 1889 "grateful to Almighty God "
42. Tennessee 1870 That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God"
43. Texas 1876 "Humbly invoking the blessings of Almighty God"
4. Utah 1896 "Grateful to Almighty God"
45. Vermont 1793 That all persons have a natural and unalienable right, to worship Almighty God............Nevertheless, every sect or denomination of christians ought to observe the sabbath or Lord's day, and keep up some sort of religious worship, which to them shall seem most agreeable to the revealed will of God."
46. Virginia 1776 Bill of Rights "That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator, ..............that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity towards each other."
47. Washington 1889 "grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe "
48. West Virginia 1872 "Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia, in and through the provisions of this Constitution, reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God "
49. Wisconsin 1848 " grateful to Almighty God "
50. Wyoming 1889 " grateful to God "

Looks like the closer the government is to the people, the less secular it becomes.

The First Amendment guarantees the right to NOT believe in God. It just does.
 
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